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Old April 23rd, 2012, 03:36 PM   #121
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Why not go around the sea through Russia and Georgia?
You mean why go via the country that has High Speed railways instead of ones that don't?
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 08:52 PM   #122
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All this Central Asian/Middle East section if it's to be built any time soon will have to be sponsored by Chinese. I don't think they want to go through Russia (no control) or Iran (same + unsafe). The line is mostly if not exclusively for freight so going over the sea is not that big of a problem.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 10:16 PM   #123
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You mean, over a ferry operation, then ? Although this looks a bit old-
fashioned, why not ? Provided that the ferries provide enough capacity...
The ports of Baku and Turkmenbashi could certainly be developped to
support this. What are the usual weather conditions on the Caspian sea ?

If we want to stay on a pure ground operation, then Iran is probably the
only possible alternative. First of all it completely skips the unreliable
caucasus region, then Iran and China are much better friends than Russia
and China, and last it's shorter and uses much less border crossings. And
Iran is a country where there is a real will to develop railways.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 01:15 PM   #124
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The report by Zaman is a bit over-optimistic. If you read between the lines, or more detailed Turkish reports, the Turkish side actually got its knuckles whipped for not doing its homework properly. The Chinese side expected detailed planning already, while the Turkish government, in its typically over-enthusiased style, wanted to decide things first and plan later. Now Yildirim was sent home to develop proper plans which can actually be acted upon and not the rough drafts he came up with. Hopefully though things will develop in the end. Railways in this part of the world are in a critical stage. Either there will be major investments into reviving rail soon or airplanes for people and trucks for goods will be the only viable transport options left. Hopefully also the Chinese will strike a deal to integrate the Turkish corridor with Sofia and Budapest, as the EU has been not very forthcoming on major railway aid to its poorer members.
About the eastern side, I hope they seriously aim to connect the HSR corridor to Iran. The connection to the Caucasus by itself is not economically viable, whereas train transport between these two large countries and possibly Pakistan, India beyond are much more likely to generate the necessary revenue to keep such monstrous projects from collapsing. And yes, peace is of course a necessary precondition on all sides concerned.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #125
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Either there will be major investments into reviving rail soon or airplanes for people and trucks for goods will be the only viable transport options left. Hopefully also the Chinese will strike a deal to integrate the Turkish corridor with Sofia and Budapest, as the EU has been not very forthcoming on major railway aid to its poorer members.
There are many things in your statements which are not true:

1> Turkey from what I see is making a very strong railway investment already. I don't see how it can be said that they are not doing enough based only in this completely hipotetical and unrealistic China-Europe railroad. If there is any bottleneck it surely is not in Turkey. I doubt that the central asia and caucasus countries will invest in this railroad as it will surely cost a lot of money which they don't have.
2> EU makes massive railway investments in poorer countries. For example please see the map of EU-sponsored railway investments in Poland (red lines are under modernization and green ones are recently finished modernization projects): http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7...ycznia2012.jpg
3> All cases that I know of railway investment not going as fast as it should in EU is not because EU is not willing to pay for it. It is because the countries in question are not willing to do their share of the project even when it is only 25% of the bill. Romania is a prime example as it invests only something like 10% of it's infrastructure budget in railways while the EU expectation is 40% for the railways. Many baltic countries also refuse to pay their share of Rail Baltica. So here is the true cause of lack of investment: Country governments highway obsession. I am 100% sure that the problem is not the EU because countries that are willing to make their part like Poland are taking billions and billions of euros of rail investment money. I think that the EU should start exclusively investing in railways, so countries which don't invest in rail would be punished by not getting transportation funds from the EU. Road building will happen with or without EU funds so no help is needed here.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #126
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Agree with you on most points. I was not thinking of Turkey. The ones not doing their homework in rail infrastructure or operations are Bulgaria, Greece, albania, and Serbia. I believe the Caucasus also does not have a good record in promoting railways.
Yes, there are some investments for example in Romania with large EU support and it not happening in other countries often has to do with mismanagement or greed of the governments concerned. However the EU refused to support the HSR from IStanbul to Bulgaria even though it is relatively cheap, easy to realize and is a necessary link between Turkey and the EU.
Spain once promoted rail priority in EU infrastructure support, but was overruled by the usual car lobby of the other states.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 02:45 AM   #127
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Turkey’s Forest and Waterworks Minister Veysel Eroğlu attended the signing of the 287 kilometer Ankara-Afyonkarahisar high speed rail project yesterday. This is the first phase of the larger İzmir-Ankara high speed rail project.

Afyonkarahisar, a western Anatolian province, is one of the world’s new hubs of thermal tourism, according to Eroğlu, and has taken its place as an important center for health and congress tourism as well. In terms of the number of five star hotels, it ranks fourth in Turkey, according to Eroğlu. The new Zafer Airport in Afyonkarahisar is scheduled to open on October 29, according to Eroğlu, and will facilitate the province’s thermal tourism.

“I believe the infrastructure for the rail line will be completed shortly,” said Eroğlu. “We are going to connect the Ankara castle with the Afyonkarahisar castle.”

After the rail line is complete, the commute time between Ankara and İzmir will drop to three hours and 30 minutes, which is a huge improvement from the current eight to nine hours, said Eroğlu.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #128
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Two corrections to that report there: the first ca 100 km of Ankara-Afyon are already built as part Ankara-Eskisehir and -Konya routes. The still to be constructed part is about 160 km in length. This is but the first and easiest of three phases of construction between Ankara and Izmir. Also, Eroglu is gracious when he says it presently takes 8-9 hours to travel between the cities. This is by road, by train it is 13.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #129
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Agree with you on most points. I was not thinking of Turkey. The ones not doing their homework in rail infrastructure or operations are Bulgaria, Greece, albania, and Serbia. I believe the Caucasus also does not have a good record in promoting railways.
Yes, there are some investments for example in Romania with large EU support and it not happening in other countries often has to do with mismanagement or greed of the governments concerned. However the EU refused to support the HSR from IStanbul to Bulgaria even though it is relatively cheap, easy to realize and is a necessary link between Turkey and the EU.
Spain once promoted rail priority in EU infrastructure support, but was overruled by the usual car lobby of the other states.
To be honest, the demand is just not enough. We still lack the basic infrastructure, so we need to use the EU funds for that. We just can't afford to build any HSR, due to the major costs associated with any such project. The whole budget for the Operational Programme on Transport for Bulgaria 2007-2013 is about 2 billion Euro, of which 1.8 are provided by the EU, the rest is the national share. That includes the funding for the new Sofia Metro sections, the Trakia, Maritsa, and Struma motorways, the renovation of the railways between Plovdiv and Svilengrad and Plovdiv and Burgas and numerous other smaller projects. Still, even if we upgrade all the major lines to 160 km/h (200 km/h with tilting trainsets) that will still be a major improvement to the current situation. It should happen by 2020-2025. If in the meantime the demands grows, then we might start talking about HSR.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #130
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A 250 kmh train between Istanbul and Kapikule that then continues at 160 kmh would be a very good start. This would already take a very cohesive effort on the part of TCDD and BDZ. But the Chinese deals are very advantageous: the Chinese government has a huge money surplus, so they are offering credits at highly advantageous rates. Also while I realize Bulgaria has immense probelms wiht its infrastructure and does not know where to start, we should remember that CFR and TCDD did not look much better a few years ago. Now train travel in Romania is reliable, trains are reasonably new, and speeds are picking up. I think Bulgaria should be able to offer rail services on a simular standard, as the country has a GDP comparable to Romania and Turkey, if the ogvernment does nto believe it can solve all transport problems with new highways.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #131
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Absolutely, however it would take a few years. Just to outline the current plan: The reconstruction and electrification of Plovdiv -> Svilengrad should be ready by 2014. Then it would take just about an hour and 15 minutes from the border to Plovdiv. The renovation of Plovdiv -> Burgas is also going ahead and should be ready by 2014, again for 160 km/h. The same goes for the first section of Sofia -> Plovdiv, from Septemvri -> Plovdiv. In the next programme period 2014-2020 they should finish the upgrade of Sofia -> Septemvri and start the renovations of Sofia -> Vidin and Sofia -> Dragoman at the border with Serbia. BDZ also planning on buying new rolling stock with EU funds, so there will be at least some improvement in the services in the coming years.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #132
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I don't think they want to go through Russia (no control) or Iran (same + unsafe). The line is mostly if not exclusively for freight so going over the sea is not that big of a problem.
Small correction; Iran is not "unsafe" at all. Unless the criminals and thugs in Washington D.C. and Brussels keep destabilizing and threatening the country.
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Old July 4th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #133
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Small correction; Iran is not "unsafe" at all. Unless the criminals and thugs in Washington D.C. and Brussels keep destabilizing and threatening the country.
I think Iran's internal problems are a bigger threat to its stability than "the criminals and thugs in Washington D.C. and Brussels".
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Old August 29th, 2012, 12:52 AM   #134
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Finally!!! Today there has been a tender for the construction of a new high-speed station in Ankara.



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Ankara High Speed Train Station receives only one bid

28 August 2012 16:40
Project of General Directorate of State Railways of the Republic of Turkey (TCDD) for building of High Speed Train Station in capital Ankara has received only one bid.

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Project of General Directorate of State Railways of the Republic of Turkey (TCDD) for building of High Speed Train Station in capital Ankara has received only one bid from the consortium of Limak, Kolin and Cengiz construction firms.

Ismail Duman who led the commission of the tender in Ankara on Tuesday spoke at the opening and stated that the build-operate-transfer project which previously and successfully was applied in the construction of airports will be applied in the railways construction project for the first time. He stated that if they receive pleasing results, they will continue applying the same system on further projects.
He added that 10 firms had obtained specifications for the tender and the only bid came from Limak, Kolin and Cengiz construction consortium.
According to specifications that the period of construction should not be more than two years long and after required inspections the letter of operating time will be opened in front of the press, said Duman.
The new station will be built on an area of 21,600 square metres after displacing of the current railway station in Ankara. It has been planned that the new station will come up to international standards and there will be cafes and a hotel.
TCDD released for the first time that bids would be going for tender on January 2011. After a few potential problems over the metro line, bidding was postponed in February 2011.
Later on TCDD released the tender bid of the Ankara High Speed Train Station on July 17, 2012 however it was postponed to August 28 with the demand of firms who obtained specifications.
Foundations of Kolin Group of Companies was laid down in 1977 with the establishment of Kolin Construction and it is a preferred business partner in several parts of the world as well as in Turkey provides services to a wide constituency which encompasses Libya, Azerbaijan, Uganda and Serbia. LIMAK was established in 1976 with the aim of operating in engineering and construction areas. Cengiz construction first came into market in 1980 which also have numerous giant projects of construction.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #135
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Old August 29th, 2012, 03:15 AM   #136
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Good luck with the Balkan section of that "high speed" line (see last page)
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Old August 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #137
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Design is huge letdown for me. It looks like grounded cruise ship.

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That look like a type of vehicle from the future.
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TCDD launches Eskisehir – Konya high speed service

28 March 2013

TURKEY: A direct high speed service linking Eskisehir and Konya was officially inaugurated by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on March 23, accompanied by Transport Minister Binali Yıldırım and TCDD Director General Süleyman Karaman.

Introduction of the direct service follows the completion of a 5 km west-to-south connecting curve linking the Eskisehir – Ankara and Ankara – Konya high speed lines near Polatlı. Journey time for the 355 km trip is 2 h, compared with 8 h using the existing line via Afyon and Alayunt or 5½ h by bus. TCDD is initially operating two direct trains in each direction per day, and says more will be introduced after additional high speed trainsets have been procured.

The Prime Minister said he hoped to see the start of high speed services between Eskisehir and Istanbul before the end of this year, following the inauguration of the Marmaray tunnel to coincide with the republic’s 90th anniversary celebrations on October 29.

In a few more years, he continued, Sivas, Yozgat, Kırıkkale, Afyon, Usak, Manisa, Izmir and Bursa would be linked to the high speed network, which would connect 14 provinces. Beyond that high speed lines would be built south from Konya to Karaman, Mersin, Adana, Osmaniye and Gaziantep. ‘We're going to serve all these cities, and I hope it will not be long until the high speed train reaches Gaziantep’, he said.

Yıldırım added that after almost half a century of neglect, railway investment had reached ‘record levels’ in the last decade, with a total spend of YTL 26bn. This had seen an average of 137 km of new line added to the network each year, lifting the total from 9 700 km to almost 11 :000. Another 3 700 km was under construction or planned, and much of the existing network was being totally renewed, he said.

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