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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:16 AM   #241
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UW, both Midwest and AirTr*** fly out of Mitchell. With Midwest airfares being a little higher on the average, why doesn't AirTr*** beat the crap out of Midwest in the Milwaukee market? I believe the reason is because of service and amenities that Midwest offers verses the other guys, and hometown loyality. If people want to fly AirTr*** out of Mitchell, and save some money now and then, they can. But the vast majority don't. Now why don't they UW?

Like I said in a earlier post, AirTr*** couldn't care less about the flying public of Milwaukee. They only thing they care about is the huge population of northern Illinois. Why then Midwest? Because they can't get any landing slots at O'Hare, that's why. If they could get landing slots at O'Hare, there would be NO takeover bid. Simple as that.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:19 AM   #242
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UW, both Midwest and AirTr*** fly out of Mitchell. With Midwest airfares being a little higher on the average, why doesn't AirTr*** beat the crap out of Midwest in the Milwaukee market? I believe the reason is because of service and amenities that Midwest offers verses the other guys, and hometown loyality. If people want to fly AirTr*** out of Mitchell, and save some money now and then, they can. But the vast majority don't. Now why don't they UW?

Like I said in a earlier post, AirTr*** couldn't care less about the flying public of Milwaukee. They only thing they care about is the huge population of northern Illinois. Why then Midwest? Because they can't get any landing slots at O'Hare, that's why. If they could get landing slots at O'Hare, there would be NO takeover bid. Simple as that.
Well and the Tribune also stated in that article that they really couldn't get any landing slots at Midway either, because their rival Southwest took em all up (Midway's Southwest's hub)

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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:23 AM   #243
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thats disrespectful. How is airtran trash? Wow you must have COMPLETE inferior problems to this airtran. I have been on airtran and midwest so many times. Airtran's business class is the same thing as Midwest coach. Midwest is a better quality airline, but to call airtran "trash" is quite sad. It gives the oppurtunity for people to fly and save money. I have never found any trash on airtrans flights, the flight attendent's may be underpaid, but I have never had any problems with them. The bathrooms always clean AND! AIRTRAN HAS NEWER PLANES than midwest. There fleet is the newest in the airline industry. How is that trash?
Since when do we have to be respectful of a business? Do you get mad when people talk "trash" about Wal-Mart? How about McDonalds? Ford? Chevy? Now, you tell me how ridiculous it sounds.
 
Old January 12th, 2007, 09:23 AM   #244
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Well and the Tribune also stated in that article that they really couldn't get any landing slots at Midway either, because their rival Southwest took em all up (Midway's their hub)
That proves my point even more so. For AirTrash, it's all about Chicagoland.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:30 AM   #245
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What I don't understand is why AirTran just doesn't make a hub in Rockford if its that **** about getting a hub in the Chicagoland area. Rockford recently improved its airport and they're the ones officially dubbing themselves Chicago's Third Airport. I guess Milwaukee is luring more travelers....and that's not because Milwaukee has the same flights for cheaper, its because Midwest is alive and well.

Go to any travel website and you'll know that booking a flight out of Chicago is cheaper than it is out of Milwaukee, but yet Chicagoans do come up here...I WONDER WHY!?......
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Old January 12th, 2007, 04:39 PM   #246
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What I don't understand is why AirTran just doesn't make a hub in Rockford if its that **** about getting a hub in the Chicagoland area.
I think that's because Milwaukee is much closer to the the northern suburbs of Chicago than Rockford is. Therefore, Mitchell is much more likely to be used as an alternative choice to O'Hare by the millions of potantial customers that AirTrash is really going after.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 04:40 PM   #247
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Rockford? Gary is closer to Chicago than Milwaukee or Rockford.
Gary already has commuter rail to downtown Chicago.
Put AirTrash in Gary with the gaudiness, cheapness of the casinos.
Pan Am folded only because it wasn't a cheap alternative to Midway.

AirTrash could take all the gates at Gary, and start selling weekend casino JUNKet packages.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 05:42 PM   #248
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I actually know someone that works as a pilot for airtran & alot of pilots to go along with that. They are not trash. Why is this a attack UWMilwaukeeJay thread just because I have a single opinion towards Airtran. I don't care anyways, I said all along this would never happen. Im sure there is other things to talk about in Milwaukee other than Mitchell "international"..seriously now.

"wave green and white pom poms" is this high school where you attack someone's character? Its a freakin opinion, and i think some of you need to grow up. I have stated several times that i admire midwest airlines.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 05:47 PM   #249
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I actually know someone that works as a pilot for airtran & alot of pilots to go along with that. They are not trash. Why is this a attack UWMilwaukeeJay thread just because I have a single opinion towards Airtran. I don't care anyways, I said all along this would never happen. Im sure there is other things to talk about in Milwaukee other than Mitchell "international"..seriously now.

"wave green and white pom poms" is this high school where you attack someone's character? Its a freakin opinion, and i think some of you need to grow up. I have stated several times that i admire midwest airlines.
I agree that this is getting rather hostile. We all need to calm down a bit and re-evaluate who and what we're fighting over.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #250
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Not to mention this is a Milwaukee DEVELOPMENT NEWS thread, not a debate thread. We have 3 pages of debate on this now. And we wonder why we're on "Milwaukee Development News 10".
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Old January 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #251
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Here's a link to the discussion from KC (from kcmetro):

http://www.kcskyscrapers.com/newforu...seen#msg210409
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Old January 12th, 2007, 07:48 PM   #252
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Here's a link to the discussion from KC (from kcmetro):

http://www.kcskyscrapers.com/newforu...seen#msg210409
Thank you for putting the link up in the thread. I didn't know they were creating whole forums over this subject in KC!
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Old January 12th, 2007, 07:52 PM   #253
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It seems to me that AirTran is free to run their business however thay want. If they want to be a low cost airline, fine. If they think it's best for them to buy Midwest, good for them. Perhaps they shouldn't be saying a few of the things they've said, but none of that means there's anything wrong with their airline or that there's anything wrong with trying to grow/improve their business by buying another airline, in this case Midwest.

That said, it seems clear that if they did buy Midwest, it would be bad for Milwaukee and Wisconsin. It's up to the Midwest shareholders to decide if they should sell, and thus it is up to the Midwest shareholders to protect Milwaukee's interests. Hopefully this (the purchase by AirTran) won't happen.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #254
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UW, both Midwest and AirTr*** fly out of Mitchell. With Midwest airfares being a little higher on the average, why doesn't AirTr*** beat the crap out of Midwest in the Milwaukee market? I believe the reason is because of service and amenities that Midwest offers verses the other guys, and hometown loyality. If people want to fly AirTr*** out of Mitchell, and save some money now and then, they can. But the vast majority don't. Now why don't they UW?

Like I said in a earlier post, AirTr*** couldn't care less about the flying public of Milwaukee. They only thing they care about is the huge population of northern Illinois. Why then Midwest? Because they can't get any landing slots at O'Hare, that's why. If they could get landing slots at O'Hare, there would be NO takeover bid. Simple as that.
Usually these two vie for the best service moniker every year: Air Alaska or Midwest sometimes Jet Blue in Zaggat's or Conde Naste's surveys.

If Milwaukee loses Midwest it doesn't make any difference to Madison, or Green Bay what happens both can go on without it. Both cities have expanded their terminals.

I would really like to see Southwest a. come into Madison that would really make things interesting
get some of that Rockford -northwestern IL- Janesville-Beloit-S. Beloit - Dubuque population.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #255
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Airtran/Southwest/Midwest

Don't get me wrong I've always hoped for a Southwest expansion into Mitchell as time and time again its a boom for the airport...(The Southwest Effect). And even Airtrans may bring something like this, though I think what we are all saying is that we would hate to see it at the expense of Midwest.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 07:54 AM   #256
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UW, both Midwest and AirTr*** fly out of Mitchell. With Midwest airfares being a little higher on the average, why doesn't AirTr*** beat the crap out of Midwest in the Milwaukee market?
How do you know they don't? In case you didn't notice, the only markets Airtran and Midwest currenlty compete for on non stop service is Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, and Ft. Myers. Airtran doesn't have any other direct flights to major markets from Milwaukee. Hmm, lets see, fly to BWI, LaGuardia or Logan through Hartsfield or take a direct flight on Midwest. I don't know, that's a pretty tough choice. It's also interesting to note that Orlando, Tampa and Ft. Myers are all Saver Service. I wonder why?

If discounter airlines are such a "bad" business model, why did Midwest adopt the saver service program?
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I don't think they're a bad business model at all. As for Midwest adopting Saver Service, I think it was to provide more competition, which isn't a bad thing either.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #258
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I actually know someone that works as a pilot for airtran & alot of pilots to go along with that. They are not trash. Why is this a attack UWMilwaukeeJay thread just because I have a single opinion towards Airtran. I don't care anyways, I said all along this would never happen. Im sure there is other things to talk about in Milwaukee other than Mitchell "international"..seriously now.

"wave green and white pom poms" is this high school where you attack someone's character? Its a freakin opinion, and i think some of you need to grow up. I have stated several times that i admire midwest airlines.
UW, I never attacked you. (I attacked AirTrans) You DON"T deserve to be attacked or ridiculed. From your previous posts it is obvious that you admire Midwest Airlines as well as AirTrans and have flown both. Therefore, I would think you would understand the vehemency of Milwaukee and Wisconsin in regards to posssibly losing a home-grown award winning business. Let them fight it out for the customer's dollar and let the winner survive in the marketplace.
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Congrats to MilwaukeeMark on your win in the Urban Photo contest!! Between being used as the banner and winning the contest, that was one successful photo (and deservedly so!).

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Congrats to MilwaukeeMark on your win in the Urban Photo contest!! Between being used as the banner and winning the contest, that was one successful photo (and deservedly so!).

Thank you! Yeah, it's been quite the winning week for me. I got the banner on SSC (thank you hydrogen!), won the weekly urban photo contest for the same picture... and yesterday I found out that I won MKE Online's Blog of the Week title! All I need now is to win a job. Haha.
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