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Old February 4th, 2007, 12:29 AM   #441
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So is the Water Street Tower a serious proposal? What stage of planning is it in?
New Land bought several properties at the Water/Brady intersection several months ago with the intention of eventually constructing a condo tower there.

So it's serious enough for these to at least be conceptual designs for such a proposal.
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Prince Hall Village

Here are pictures (low quality) of 2 proposed projects near the 12th and North Area and 12th and Teutonia Area (basically right next to each other). These are proposed developments the top one would have 14 units and retail and the bottom would be townhouse style. Both near the Prince Hall Masons building if u know the area......


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I think that developing towhouse style and continuing the duplex/triplex tradition is a lot healthier way to rebuild the inner city than single family houses. It adds/returns density to an area and keeps the possibilty of non-auto oriented planning more easily possible in the future. Things like the houses they built around Garfield just south of this proposal are nice but ruin this possibility and end up turning the inner city into a suburb.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 09:29 AM   #444
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There's nothing inherently suburban, or auto-dominating about single-family detached homes, provided they are done right (e.g., no ranch houses, or split-levels, or snout houses, no absurdly large lot widths/setbacks, or huge minimum lot sizes and so forth). It would be foolish to rebuild the inner city without providing a wide range of housing options built in an urban fashion, including single-family detached.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 10:46 AM   #445
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I don't know about that New Land Water St. proposal. The red on the bottom looks seriously dated. I'm sure it would look fine in that neighborhood, but it certainly would stand out as any sort of achievement in architecture.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 06:36 PM   #446
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There's nothing inherently suburban, or auto-dominating about single-family detached homes, provided they are done right (e.g., no ranch houses, or split-levels, or snout houses, no absurdly large lot widths/setbacks, or huge minimum lot sizes and so forth). It would be foolish to rebuild the inner city without providing a wide range of housing options built in an urban fashion, including single-family detached.
Yes but city code makes this impossible via the 40' minimum residental lot width. At 40' each, the new developments are less than half as dense as the original development there. Even in places like Shorewood and the north side north of Capitol, lot withs range from 20-30'. It's foolish to rebuild the inner city at an unhealthy density that has no relation to its original plat. Rowhouses provide almost all of the advantages of a regular house (private yard, seperation from neighbors, etc.) yet come much closer to conforming to the area's original density, the density that all of the infrastructure was built to support.
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Yes but city code makes this impossible via the 40' minimum residental lot width. At 40' each, the new developments are less than half as dense as the original development there. Even in places like Shorewood and the north side north of Capitol, lot withs range from 20-30'.
Codes can be changed to require narrower lots, thereby increasing the density while still allowing for single-family detached housing. Many of the healthiest residential environments allow cities to develop a variety of urban housing with different building forms, different architectural styles, different types of ownership, different levels of income, different markets, and a varying degree of densities that still gives their neighborhoods an appropriate level of urbanity.
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Old February 5th, 2007, 06:39 AM   #448
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Yes but city code makes this impossible via the 40' minimum residental lot width. At 40' each, the new developments are less than half as dense as the original development there. Even in places like Shorewood and the north side north of Capitol, lot withs range from 20-30'. It's foolish to rebuild the inner city at an unhealthy density that has no relation to its original plat. Rowhouses provide almost all of the advantages of a regular house (private yard, seperation from neighbors, etc.) yet come much closer to conforming to the area's original density, the density that all of the infrastructure was built to support.
I live in a neighborhood of single family homes on 40' lot widths, and I wouldn't characterise it as suburban. I live in Sherman Park, between North Ave and Burleigh in the 50s.

But, yes, I agree that infill should be generally the same density or slightly higher than the surrounding neighborhood.
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Yes but city code makes this impossible via the 40' minimum residental lot width. At 40' each, the new developments are less than half as dense as the original development there. Even in places like Shorewood and the north side north of Capitol, lot withs range from 20-30'. It's foolish to rebuild the inner city at an unhealthy density that has no relation to its original plat. Rowhouses provide almost all of the advantages of a regular house (private yard, seperation from neighbors, etc.) yet come much closer to conforming to the area's original density, the density that all of the infrastructure was built to support.
City code classifies 30' lots as buildable. Most of the older parts of Milwaukee are 30' lots and they should continue to be so in the future.
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Old February 5th, 2007, 09:04 PM   #450
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City code classifies 30' lots as buildable. Most of the older parts of Milwaukee are 30' lots and they should continue to be so in the future.
Most of inner city Milwaukee is 20'-25' x 120', and usually originally with a duplex and a back cottage on the same lot. There's a big difference between that and one builder's model house on a 30'-40' x 120' lot. My point isn't that single-family houses are inherantly bad, but that in order to to build them at an appropriate density, we'd have to build them like they were built in the 1870's-1920's, something that wouldn't be attractive to most homebuyers. Hence, rowhouses are a better option since you can build rowhouses at 20' x 120' and still offer most of the attractions of a regular house like privacy, a decent sized yard, garage, etc. Thge city wasn't originally built like Lindsay Heights and City Homes were built and shouldn't be built that way because of the huge waste of infrastructure that it causes.
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Most of inner city Milwaukee is 20'-25' x 120', and usually originally with a duplex and a back cottage on the same lot. There's a big difference between that and one builder's model house on a 30'-40' x 120' lot. My point isn't that single-family houses are inherantly bad, but that in order to to build them at an appropriate density, we'd have to build them like they were built in the 1870's-1920's, something that wouldn't be attractive to most homebuyers. Hence, rowhouses are a better option since you can build rowhouses at 20' x 120' and still offer most of the attractions of a regular house like privacy, a decent sized yard, garage, etc. Thge city wasn't originally built like Lindsay Heights and City Homes were built and shouldn't be built that way because of the huge waste of infrastructure that it causes.
correct, most of CityHomes and Lindsay Heights are in the 40'-55' lot widths. They should have gone back to the original plotting in that area, which was 30'.
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MLS Milwaukee

Well if anyone is still interested in MLS coming to Milwaukee it appears they've taken a step forward in acquiring the land!

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=18
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AT&T will add 200 jobs in downtown Milwaukee
http://www.biztimes.com/daily/2007/2...town-milwaukee

and Harley plans to temporarily layoff up to 500 workers in Wisconsin
http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/mil...ml?jst=b_ln_hl
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Old February 6th, 2007, 04:57 AM   #454
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Proven Direct's new valley headquarters will be 'green'
2007 - BizTimes Daily

How cold is it? Well, it's cold enough that most of the groundbreaking ceremony for Proven Direct Inc.'s new headquarters in the Menomonee River Valley had to be moved indoors today, and warm dirt was brought in to accommodate the festivities.
Proven Direct, a full-service direct marketing, technology, printing and fulfillment company, will move from Menomonee Falls to the new building in the valley later this year.
The company will move into the Canal Street Commerce Center, which will be developed at the site of the former Milwaukee Stockyards. The sustainably-designed building will span 144,000 square feet and will be developed by Ziegler/Bence, which hosted today's ceremony with Menomonee Valley Partners Inc.
The site was identified as a priority development area nearly a decade ago by the City of Milwaukee's Master Land Use Plan for the Menomonee Valley. Two other priority valley sites already are being developed for the Harley-Davidson Museum (at Sixth and Canal streets) and the Menomonee Valley Industrial Center (the former Milwaukee Road Shops property on Canal Street just east of Miller Park).
Proven Direct, which will occupy 53,000 square feet, will bring 56 full-time jobs and
plans to add another 56 full-time jobs within three years.
The $15 million project is a public-private partnership that will produce a "green" building, using the Menomonee Valley Sustainable Design Guidelines, which were developed to ensure low impact, energy efficient industrial buildings that benefit both the environment and the bottom line over the long run. The project will use high-insulated glass windows to provide day lighting, native plant landscaping to reduce watering
and energy efficient fixtures that are expected to save the company $38,000 per year in utility costs.
Ziegler/Bence will track the building's utility usage and costs and, like its green neighbor across the street, the Sigma Group, share the findings with MVP, to encourage future valley neighbors to invest in the recommendations.
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Harley should tell the York workers to stop bitching, eliminate their jobs, and bring all the jobs here to Milwaukee.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #456
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Here is a PDF of a plan for Bradford Beach on the lakefront, they have proposed a water garden, to help improve the area that is slowly wearing away from waves, it is a big pdf and most of the pictures are towards the end, it was approved since they are using private money...
http://www.designoffice.com/jim/bb_watergarden.pdf

here is a link for the story on fox 6, theres a video...
http://www.myfoxmilwaukee.com/myfox/...Y&pageId=3.2.1


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Two firms to develop housing
North side project to be built on vacant city lots


A Fond du Lac firm is joining with a Milwaukee developer to propose a 24-unit affordable housing project for Milwaukee's north side.

Commonwealth Development Corp. and the Dorsey Group want to develop the $4.6 million project along W. Lisbon Ave., from N. 28th to N. 33rd streets. The apartments would be built on city-owned vacant lots and a city-owned parking lot, which Commonwealth and Dorsey would purchase for $48,000.

The land sale received preliminary approval this week from the Common Council's Zoning, Neighborhoods and Development Committee.

Commonwealth, of Fond du Lac, has developed several affordable apartment projects throughout Wisconsin, including some in Milwaukee's central city.

Dorsey Group is operated by Damon Dorsey. He was previously executive director of North Avenue Community Development Corp., a non-profit group that has developed apartment and retail buildings on the north side.

Their new project, Lisbon Avenue Commons, is seeking affordable housing tax credits for part of its financing package. Those federal credits are given to development companies that agree to provide apartments at below-market rents to moderate-income families and senior citizens.

The Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority allocates the tax credits in an annual competitive process. The agency is expected to decide by May which developers will receive the 2007 credits.

Lisbon Avenue Commons would feature 18 one- and two-bedroom apartments on the north side of W. Lisbon Ave., west of N. 28th St.

The three-story building would have 1,500 square feet of street-level retail space, and apartments on the upper floors.

The project would include six townhouse-style apartments, each with three bedrooms, on the north side of W. Lisbon Ave., west of N. 33rd St.


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MGIC, Radian to merge; new firm will be based in Milwaukee
business merger could probably mean jobs for the city...
http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/mil...ml?jst=b_ln_hl
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #457
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I watched the section on the water gardens @ bradley beach last night on Fox 6. It's privately funding and we still had someone complaining that they should spend the money somewhere else. AHHH. Its a cool idea, better than nothing.
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I watched the section on the water gardens @ bradley beach last night on Fox 6. It's privately funding and we still had someone complaining that they should spend the money somewhere else. AHHH. Its a cool idea, better than nothing.
I think it's far better than "better than nothing." Our lakefront really is the jewel of Milwaukee. Visitors and locals are drawn to the lakefront, and there should be more there than open fields and crumbling parking lots. In the last five years we have added so much to our lakefront (MAM, Discovery World, Alterra) and this is one more link in the chain that will make the lakefront a more pleasent, engaging place to be. Hopefully this project will be a catalyst for others like it up and down the lakefront. It's a small project, to be sure, but it will create an experience that will keep people coming back to the lakefront for years to come.
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. Hopefully this project will be a catalyst for others like it up and down the lakefront. .
Oh, I sooooooooo hope not.
This part of the lakefront is such a delight because of the open fields and great expanse of uncluttered beach. They are hardly empty and unused, and, weather permitting, are a never-ending source of inspiration for group and individual recreation, with a near-perfect sprinkling of pre-programmed spaces, commercial and athletic, thrown in. This has been a tremendously successful and unique balance, spoiled mostly by the foul odors--natural and Made in Milwaukee-- which the community has not yet done enough to control.
Add more "attractions"--and you can bet that pressure for more and more and worse and worse would increase as restraints are diminished--and what you will have is more traffic, more parking lots, crumbling or otherwise, and just another popular "strip" that happens to be near water--think "Anywhere Near a Beach" USA.
There is plenty inland in Milwaukee that is still in need of inspiration and enhancement, and is in no danger of being over-stuffed. Allow this magical part of the cityshore to keep its golden burnish, instead of killing it with well-intended treats.
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The problem I have with that is every time I've been to the beach, it was baron. I rarely see any large number of people there. The beach needs something to bring the people back, but what I feel they need even worse is to clean the sand. It's full of shit and shells and trash. We need clean, pure sand again, along with taking down that annoying, ugly fence and adding a few things along the street and lake front to attract a larger crowd on summer days.
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