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Old March 9th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #741
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Updated info on the Ghazi mixed-use hotel proposal for the 4th and Wisconsin site:

175-room hotel (operator unknown yet)
200 condos (down significantly from original conceptual proposal)
100,000 sqft of retail/entertainment/office space (no committed tenants yet, in talks with some undisclosed potential tenants)
31 stories

Redevelopment Authority is to vote on approving a purchase option for Ghazi at meeting this Thursday. The purchase option would allow Ghazi some time to obtain financing.

Linkage to the Journal Sentinel article: Downtown hotel proposal refined - Wisconsin Ave. plan includes 200 condos
Thank you for the update Markitect. It is good to see that it's still a viable possibility. Still a ton of hurdles to jump over as the article points out. The good thing is that even with the smaller size of the project, ($120,000,000, down from the original $200,000,000, I believe) it didn't lose its height of 31 stories. I do think Ghazi may have difficulty trying to sell 200 condos in that part of downtown, however. But I could be totally wrong on that point.
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Old March 9th, 2007, 03:59 PM   #742
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I do think Ghazi may have difficulty trying to sell 200 condos in that part of downtown, however. But I could be totally wrong on that point.
He may have a little difficulty, but I think they'll sell em. This development could help spur on that area of downtown and force the midwest center to finally expand!!!! maybe.....


and i saw yesterday that the mayors transit plan ent thru a steering and rules comitee and brought it one step closer to doing the study of the plan, i guess?...

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Old March 9th, 2007, 08:50 PM   #743
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The Small Business Times has another article about the revised Ghazi proposal, plus a rendering.


^Similar to the earlier version, it is a U-shaped building; with a 25-to-31-story condo tower (depending on the demand for units) and a 15-story hotel tower, with a public plaza in between the towers.

More here: Another hotel proposal arises for site near convention center

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Old March 9th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #744
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The Small Business Times has another article about the revised Ghazi proposal, plus a rendering.


^Similar to the earlier version, it is a U-shaped building; with a 25-to-31-story condo tower (depending on the demand for units) and a 15-story hotel tower, with a public plaza in between the towers.

More here: Another hotel proposal arises for site near convention center
That really needs to be built, it offers a unique flair for the Milwaukee skyline. Plus, it's an ideal location for convention visitors.
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Old March 9th, 2007, 09:38 PM   #745
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A nice looking rendering. What angle is that looking at, I can't figure it out?
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Old March 9th, 2007, 09:45 PM   #746
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Left side = view looking southeast looking at both towers
Right side = view looking south at plaza between the two towers
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Old March 9th, 2007, 10:08 PM   #747
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Now that's a beautiful building!!! Makes me even think Building 6 and 12 that was proposed should be tweaked a bit. It sets a new caliber of design for the city that's for sure. Also, I like the idea of two towers instead of just one - it'll hopefully add to the density of the CBD.

After reading the article presented - ESPN Zone or Fox Sports Grill would be a great addition to downtown. But then I wonder - if the Water St. resturaunts opposed a House of Blues, what's stopping them from complaining about this? This better not become disappointing....
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Old March 9th, 2007, 10:49 PM   #748
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After reading the article presented - ESPN Zone or Fox Sports Grill would be a great addition to downtown. But then I wonder - if the Water St. resturaunts opposed a House of Blues, what's stopping them from complaining about this? This better not become disappointing....
No direct city assistance at this point
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Old March 9th, 2007, 11:07 PM   #749
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I think that this is also less direct competition than the Pabst proposal. You can walk easily from 4th and Wisconsin to the north Water area without having to go through a wasteland or anything, so customers might migrate back and forth between the two.
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Old March 9th, 2007, 11:47 PM   #750
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Does anyone know who the architect for the Ghazi proposal is?
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Old March 10th, 2007, 12:48 AM   #751
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I think that this is also less direct competition than the Pabst proposal. You can walk easily from 4th and Wisconsin to the north Water area without having to go through a wasteland or anything, so customers might migrate back and forth between the two.
So would you say a House of Blues or a Hard Rock Cafe can work in Milwaukee as long as its within walking distance of Water St?
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Old March 10th, 2007, 01:53 AM   #752
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i really like the design of this new plan, the old design wasn't bad but i think the new design pays more attention to the Hilton and will be a great asset to the skyline, it would be nice to see a skyline picture with this building included....


(old design)



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Old March 10th, 2007, 02:21 AM   #753
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Either one of these tower designs Will be a great asset to the area. I think it's great !
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Old March 10th, 2007, 02:36 AM   #754
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The dramatic change in design comes from the fact that the number of condos was cut in half, from 400 units originally to 200 units currently (developers must have figured market conditions wouldn't handle such a huge amount of condos all in a single project).

I liked the way the old design had something to form a "backdrop" for the small courtyard along Wisconsin Avenue. The new design lacks that substantial feature and leaves the ugly backside of the adjacent parking garage rather exposed with only a small ground-level piece that connects the hotel and condo towers.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 03:12 AM   #755
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I just noticed the Q & B sign IS LIT UP on 411 East! Looks very sharp! I'll grab a pic here a bit after dinner.

Pardon the lack of clarity, taken sans-tripod.
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Old March 10th, 2007, 04:36 AM   #756
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I liked the way the old design had something to form a "backdrop" for the small courtyard along Wisconsin Avenue. The new design lacks that substantial feature and leaves the ugly backside of the adjacent parking garage rather exposed with only a small ground-level piece that connects the hotel and condo towers.

You're right, i hope they tweak the design a little to cover up that ugly parking garage or maybe the garage owners can add some design features to it??
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Old March 10th, 2007, 04:59 AM   #757
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Lights

Thank you CWG for the second picture. I love skylines when the tall buildings are lit up. Now that there's a lit up sign on Q & B, I can tell that there's a building there at night. I also adore the Blue Northwestern Mutual lights. I hope that they're planning on leaving those up year round. Now all we need to do is get lights on the top of the Milwaukee Center.
PS - Does anyone know if the University Club crown will be lit?
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Old March 10th, 2007, 07:15 AM   #758
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You're right, i hope they tweak the design a little to cover up that ugly parking garage or maybe the garage owners can add some design features to it??
I don't know if I'm blind here, so pardon for my stupid question. But where is the parking lot in either of the renderings?? I thought that there was supposed to be open public walkways/landscaping between the hotel and the entertainment/condo building?

Either way I do agree that the parking structure, wherever it may go, should be decent in design - with either a classy structure or have it covered up by something.
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I don't know if I'm blind here, so pardon for my stupid question. But where is the parking lot in either of the renderings?? I thought that there was supposed to be open public walkways/landscaping between the hotel and the entertainment/condo building?

Either way I do agree that the parking structure, wherever it may go, should be decent in design - with either a classy structure or have it covered up by something.


There is an existing parking structure on the southern half of the block. On the right-side rendering, the garage can be seen in the background, behind the white-colored piece (maybe 3 or 4 stories tall) that connects the two towers together at the back of the courtyard in the center of the drawing.

While the neighboring parking garage won't really be visible from the courtyard at all, that short connecting piece between the two towers just seems rather awkward looking. It should be more significant, beefed up just a bit, to give some bulk to the overall project. As it is now, that connecting piece at the rear of the courtyard just seems kind of tacked on, as opposed to being one component of a cohesive design.

The parking structure that would be built as part of Ghazi's proposal (not to be confused with the existing structure to the south, which is not part of the development) is built into the podium upon which the tall condo tower sits (another awkward part of the design).
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At night you can see the new sign well from the Harley Camera.

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