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Old January 10th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #161
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Hey if you look at the 3rd rendering of that tallish green building you can see another one of their projects, manpower's HQ, sitting on the other side of the river.
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Old January 10th, 2007, 11:13 PM   #162
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Please god, oh PLEASE let don't let that last proposal fall through.
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Old January 10th, 2007, 11:18 PM   #163
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Here is another version of the greenish building, labeled as Block 6/12 on www.eua.com


Honestly I like both versions, but this one looks a little more old Milwaukee than the other version.
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Old January 10th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #164
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is block 6 & 12 anything other than a concept or proposal? has the county/city approved this yet?
No final approvals for that proposal have been made yet.
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Old January 10th, 2007, 11:27 PM   #165
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No final approvals for that proposal have been made yet.
Do you think, if its sent to the Common Council, that they would approve of it?
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Old January 10th, 2007, 11:44 PM   #166
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Here is another version of the greenish building, labeled as Block 6/12 on www.eua.com

Honestly I like both versions, but this one looks a little more old Milwaukee than the other version.
I don't know if that is a different version, or to me it looks like the same building (w/ green glass) but at a different time period of the day, like the sunrise.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #167
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Do you think, if its sent to the Common Council, that they would approve of it?
you guys, we could all sit here and draw nice looking buildings all day. until there is a viable tenant, none of these will ever get built. this will never even go to the common council until a tenant is in place.

in addition, i wouldn't be surprised if several of these would need some major public assistance.

not trying to be a downer because I really do hope that they all get built, but we aren't short on ideas right now. We have plenty of great ideas and building concepts, but very few large tenants.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 12:26 AM   #168
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Do you think, if its sent to the Common Council, that they would approve of it?
This proposal was first brought to light in early 2006 from NAI MLG Commercial. It was the lone response from a County-issued request for proposals for that site. In April 2006, a County Board committee made a recommendation that the full County Board should authorize the sale of the land to the developer...but I haven't been able to find anything since then of whether or not the Board followed through on that recommendation.

What's shown in those renderings is much more substantial than the initial reports of the proposal. There was never any mention of a tower at all back then. So it may be that the developers had gone back to do some tweaking and will re-present it before the full Board gives final approval for the land sale...much like other Park East developers have done.

If/when this ever gets to the Common Council, their approval or disapproval will likely be based on how much financial assistance (if any) the developer will be asking for from the City.

Of course, the biggest approval that's needed is the approval of the real estate market...no demand for such a building means no building at all.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 12:41 AM   #169
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I can't find Blocks 6&12 in the portfolio. Can someone post both versions of the design? Also, the Pleasant Street project- is that a newer version than the one that was on the site a couple of months ago? It looks like it would fit in with the neighborhood better (the other one was more or less a strip mall).
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you guys, we could all sit here and draw nice looking buildings all day. until there is a viable tenant, none of these will ever get built. this will never even go to the common council until a tenant is in place.
Indeed. Take the Ovation Plaza proposal, for example.

The developers keep scaling down the proposal because they have not been able to land any anchor tenants.


^ Mixed-use Ovation Plaza design circa 2003.


^ Mixed-use Ovation Plaza design circa 2006-07.

The office market, which is a prime candidate for many of these seemingly dormant proposals, is rather soft right now.

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Old January 11th, 2007, 12:54 AM   #171
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I can't find Blocks 6&12 in the portfolio. Can someone post both versions of the design?.
Scroll up. Brewcityfan posted both renderings here already in two separate posts.

They are not actually two different designs. It's the same design, just rendered at different times of the day, to show the how the facades are affected by different sun lighting conditions.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 01:28 AM   #172
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I look at that beautiful Block 6/12 rendering and all I can think of is how wonderful it would be if that was the new Manpower headquarters.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:31 AM   #173
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I look at that beautiful Block 6/12 rendering and all I can think of is how wonderful it would be if that was the new Manpower headquarters.
I agree, but let's give some credit to Manpower for locating downtown, at least. I've been critical of their new building, but what's done is done. Believe me, it won't win any awards for beauty or imagination, but, well...it's downtown -- more or less. They could've built suburban (can you say GE Medical or Northwestern Mutual), so it's fortunate that didn't happen anyways.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #174
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I agree, but let's give some credit to Manpower for locating downtown, at least. I've been critical of their new building, but what's done is done. Believe me, it won't win any awards for beauty or imagination, but, well...it's downtown -- more or less. They could've built suburban (can you say GE Medical or Northwestern Mutual), so it's fortunate that didn't happen anyways.
Well, NWM still has a huge operation downtown, and GE never was downtown, so that's no huge loss, although I do seem to recall they were the proposed tennant for Ovation Plaza. What we need is out-of-state companies that are relocating to look at Milwaukee instead of Chicago, or more importantly cities in the South or West. Having GE in the metro area is a bonus, wether they are in Tosa or not.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:47 AM   #175
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Well, NWM still has a huge operation downtown, and GE never was downtown, so that's no huge loss, although I do seem to recall they were the proposed tennant for Ovation Plaza. What we need is out-of-state companies that are relocating to look at Milwaukee instead of Chicago, or more importantly cities in the South or West. Having GE in the metro area is a bonus, wether they are in Tosa or not.
True enough re GE. But, can you just imagine if Milwaukee leaders had the wherewithal to find space for Northwestern Mutual's 1 million-plus sq. ft. of office space downtown...as well as GE's 550,000 sq. ft.?!! How about luring Kohl's downtown (before they built their big addition in Menomonee Falls). There are precious few corporate opportunities around here. You can't land 'em all, but just imagine if Milwaukee leaders were, well...leaders.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:50 AM   #176
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True enough re GE. But, can you just imagine if Milwaukee leaders had the wherewithal to find space for Northwestern Mutual's 1 million-plus sq. ft. of office space downtown...as well as GE's 550,000 sq. ft.?!! How about luring Kohl's downtown (before they built their big addition in Menomonee Falls). There are precious few corporate opportunities around here. You can't land 'em all, but just imagine if Milwaukee leaders were, well...leaders.
or imagine if milwaukee's corporate leaders gave a $!#% about downtown. ceo's are far more to blame than any politician.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:58 AM   #177
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Yes but if everything was located downtown then the suburbs really wouldn't have much to go on in the suburbs. Those corporate developments in and around the Milwaukee area helped out many suburban communities grow and attract more people to the area.

More people can equal out to many things, from airport traffic going up which equals to possible new routes and airlines coming in to more recognition of the city, making the city more attractive to those out-of-state companies that want to move downtown.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 03:01 AM   #178
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or imagine if milwaukee's corporate leaders gave a $!#% about downtown. ceo's are far more to blame than any politician.
Takes two to tango. They both need each other, understanding, of course, that the CEO's have their butt's on the line, while the politicians just don't get it.
BTW, I've been driving West on I-94 to my new job in Waukesha each morning and the skyline view in my rear view mirror from the top of the hill on west-bound I-94 is pretty damn nice-looking. I'd love to see Lake Pointe Tower included in that view...
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Old January 11th, 2007, 03:08 AM   #179
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And hey at least we know that Renassiance ClubSport building will be built - I believe the city already approved the development. With the new Ruvin and Staybridge Suites proposals are going forward and construction is starting soon on one of them this month! The skyline will be changing, slowly but surely
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And hey at least we know that Renassiance ClubSport building will be built - I believe the city already approved the development.
Nope. Developer is still looking for financing.
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