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Old February 28th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #581
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Honestly, I don't see where the problem lies. Why not experiment and see if there is enough business for such a service? If there isn't it could always be witdrawn later or re-directed to GDL. It could very well be that decreased convenience is more than outweighed by low prices.
I agree.

K_, however, things connectivity is everything, as long as somebody from a hamlet in the Siwss Alps can use 7 trains and 2 cable cars and 1 tram to travel to a hilltop walled town in Spain, he's all good with low speeds and outdated rolling stock, as long as the schedules are based on a clock-face dictatorship.
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Old March 1st, 2013, 07:09 AM   #582
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I agree.

K_, however, things connectivity is everything, as long as somebody from a hamlet in the Siwss Alps can use 7 trains and 2 cable cars and 1 tram to travel to a hilltop walled town in Spain, he's all good with low speeds and outdated rolling stock, as long as the schedules are based on a clock-face dictatorship.
Why is the concept of "if you want to make money you must make your product as good as you can make it" so alien to you? Are you one of those naive anti globalists?
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Old March 1st, 2013, 07:18 AM   #583
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Honestly, I don't see where the problem lies. Why not experiment and see if there is enough business for such a service? If there isn't it could always be witdrawn later or re-directed to GDL. It could very well be that decreased convenience is more than outweighed by low prices.

Low cost airlines often have crappy service and fly to secondary airports, but they are cheap and doing better business than most standard careers.
Low cost airlines have the advantage that planes are very fast. So they can get away with tacking all kinds of extra time costs on to the trip.
Trains will never be as fast as planes. Which is why railways, if they want to be competitive, must really aim at minimising dead time wherever they can. Which is why I don't get this 30 minutes check in requirement.
This does reduce the value of the product to the customer, but does not result in any savings for the railway.
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Old March 1st, 2013, 09:13 AM   #584
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Low cost airlines have the advantage that planes are very fast. So they can get away with tacking all kinds of extra time costs on to the trip.
Trains will never be as fast as planes. Which is why railways, if they want to be competitive, must really aim at minimising dead time wherever they can. Which is why I don't get this 30 minutes check in requirement.
This does reduce the value of the product to the customer, but does not result in any savings for the railway.
I think it is because they want to check everything before boarding, as
opposed to the most frequent railway practice of making all checks on board.
Tickets will be checked systematically before boarding, and certainly also
luggage : remember that only one piece of baggage will travel for free, all
above that will have to be paid. Doing all those checks for 1200+ passengers
(the capacity of two Ouigo sets in MU) in 30 minutes will be a challenge...
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I think they are aiming mostly at people who will park-and-ride.
Does the station of Marne la Vallée have the required infrastructure to
park safely such quantlty of cars ? The capacity of a Ouigo train is 1200+
pax. Admitting one car for 4 pax, that's 300 cars per train that might have
to remain there. Let's say 10 such trains per week, and people away for 2
weeks, that makes 6000 cars to be left parked in the station surroundings.
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Old March 1st, 2013, 10:14 AM   #586
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Why 30 minutes in advance are required?
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Old March 1st, 2013, 11:15 AM   #587
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I think it is because they want to check everything before boarding, as
opposed to the most frequent railway practice of making all checks on board.
Tickets will be checked systematically before boarding, and certainly also
luggage : remember that only one piece of baggage will travel for free, all
above that will have to be paid. Doing all those checks for 1200+ passengers
(the capacity of two Ouigo sets in MU) in 30 minutes will be a challenge...
It's stupid. Such checks should be done on the train. The cost savings to the railroad are insignificant compared to the time cost to the passengers.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #588
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It's stupid. Such checks should be done on the train. The cost savings to the railroad are insignificant compared to the time cost to the passengers.
I don't think so. Crews working on the train will always cost more than
personnel attached to a specific station. It is also more complicated to
organize and is more difficult to outsource to an external company.

Also, checking how many luggage you have with you would be far more
unpractical on the train than while boarding.
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I even think checking luggage is the main practical reason for having 30-min advance check-in. It is hard to see how could conductors check luggage on-board.

Moreover, as MarcVD said, it is cheaper to hire personnel that work only at one station (no problems with dead-runs for staff, they just get up, show up at the place they work, leave and go home).
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Old March 4th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #590
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In Spain there are some scanners and all users find no sense to them...
30 minutes in advance makes less competence with planes, and that's not a good news.


By the way, in other threads they are writting about new SNCF links to Barcelona starting at the end of April.
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30 minutes in advance makes less competence with planes, and that's not a good.
Yes, but this service is targeted towards people for whom savings of 20€ are more important than extra hour in travel time.
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and... a classic train with no advance time will take the same... so no competitive!!!
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and... a classic train with no advance time will take the same... so no competitive!!!
You sure about that? Does a classic train going all the way from Paris to Marseille even exists any more?
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well... in that case, obviously no... but what about a Paris-Bordeaux?


Why is it so important to be 30 minutes in advance?
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well... in that case, obviously no... but what about a Paris-Bordeaux?


Why is it so important to be 30 minutes in advance?
He, he, he... it looks like SNCF does not want to compete with itself. If the travel time of Ouigo was exactly the same as the ordinary TGVs then a lot of business people and wealthy travelers might be tempted to save a few bucks. By making everybody waste 30 minutes they ensure that the train is attractive only to students and low-earners who care more about cash than time.
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But... there is something that I do not understand.

Why is it so important to be 30 minutes in advance to take a train?
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By the way... has been written something in French threads about new trains to Barcelona?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #598
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But... there is something that I do not understand.

Why is it so important to be 30 minutes in advance to take a train?
They will check travel tickets before people board. They will also control (and charge for) luggage before people board.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #599
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In Spain they make it... and just two minutes in advance are required.

When they made at first the explanation was that they had a punctuality policy. In the Madrid-Sevila line, 5 minutes delay means 100% refund!!!.

But just two minutes in advance are required.

Boarding gates open 30 minutes in advance and staff ask for tickets there, prior to boarding to the train. You can go whenever you want... but they will close two minutes in advance train departure.

Sometimes I have arrived 3 minutes in advance and no problem. Last passenger to arrive to the train (and sometimes not the last one...). But I found my seat and the train departed ON time.

That's why I consider 30 minutes in advance too much.
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and btw.... Paris GdL - Figueres Vilafant will be Paris GdL - Barcelona in the end of April with TGV Duplex!!!!!!!!


(in July and December more services)
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