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Old March 5th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #601
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I loved riding the TGV from Nice to Paris back in 2011 but one thing that baffled me was how bad the food was. I think I expected a high quality dining experience on France's most prestigious train for some reason. The food was comparable to what I've seen on Amtrak. Is this the case or did I visit the wrong dining car?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #602
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I loved riding the TGV from Nice to Paris back in 2011 but one thing that baffled me was how bad the food was. I think I expected a high quality dining experience on France's most prestigious train for some reason. The food was comparable to what I've seen on Amtrak. Is this the case or did I visit the wrong dining car?
The SNCF is still dominated by engineers. That means that from a technical point of view they have some of the best trains in the world. The customer service however gets neglected a bit.
I always get some sandwiches in the station.
The best food on a train I've had in Spain. German trains have quite decent food too.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #603
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and btw.... Paris GdL - Figueres Vilafant will be Paris GdL - Barcelona in the end of April with TGV Duplex!!!!!!!!


(in July and December more services)
What I have seen is the following:
- From April 28th onewards the two TGVs to Figueres will be extended to Barcelona, and there will be a third return trip (also with TGV Dasye) leaving Paris around 10 on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, back on Saturdays, Sundays and Mondays. Then in July a second weekend only return will be added.
- There will also be, starting in April 28th two return trips Barcelona - Toulouse! These will be operated with RENFE S100 sets.

From July onwards there will be two return trips to Marseilles. They will run coupled with the services to Toulouse till Perpignan, where they will be split. There is also going to be a return trip Barcelona - Lyon. These will all be done with RENFE S100 sets.

Alle preliminary of course. I'll keep an eye on the reservation system.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #604
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what about Geneva? I thought services would be scheduled at the same time as Paris
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Old March 5th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #605
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I found these timetables on the internet:




It look like the following international high speed trains will run:

TGV Duplex 9703 (1092 km, average speed 170 km/h)
Barcelona 9:29
Girona-Figueras-Perpignan-Narbonne-Montpellier-Nîmes-Valence TGV
Paris 15:53

TGV Duplex 9705 (1092 km, average speed 175 km/h)
Barcelona 13:38
Girona-Figueras-Perpignan-Narbonne-Montpellier-Nîmes-Valence TGV
Paris 19:53

TGV Duplex 9707 (1092 km, average speed 183 km/h)
Barcelona 16:29
Girona-Figueras-Perpignan-Narbonne-Montpellier-Nîmes
Paris 22:45

S100 9721
Barcelona 10:28
Girona-Figueras-Perpignan-Carcassone
Toulouse 13:27

S100 9721
Barcelona 18:32
Girona-Figueras-Perpignan-Carcassone
Toulouse 21:38

And returning trips between same stations. Services of S100-trains will be extended to Marseille in july 2013.

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Old March 6th, 2013, 01:04 AM   #606
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what about Geneva? I thought services would be scheduled at the same time as Paris
No Switzerland yet. Wait till December, at least...
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:00 AM   #607
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New "Ouigo" SNCF service is an absolut scam !

-It seems to be cheap, but finally it's not
Trains starts from a remote suburban station 30 Km East of Paris : round-trip ticket from the capital costs 14.60 euros and the ride takes 40 minutes each way !
When you arrive in Lyon-Saint-Exupéry station it costs 26 euros round-trip to city center and takes 30 minutes each way by rapid tram "Rhônexpress".

Plus, you must arrive 30 minutes in advance to check your luggage and make you pay a supplement if you have an excessive size or weight.

To increase profitability trains will make a maximum of rotations and I read that maintenance will be assured only during the night.
Everyone who took the TGV noticed the serious problem of cleanliness in the WC (even in 1st class), so we can imagine the result in these trains carrying more passengers at the end of the day

Using remote stations far from city center these TGV lose the main advantage they have over the plane: a competitive time travel connecting directly center to center.
There is already an SNCF cheap service called IDTGV using same routes as classical TGV's.
For all these reasons I don't see any advantage in the Ouigo service and if we think well it appears to be a scam.
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The SNCF is still dominated by engineers. That means that from a technical point of view they have some of the best trains in the world. The customer service however gets neglected a bit.
I always get some sandwiches in the station.
The best food on a train I've had in Spain. German trains have quite decent food too.


When I saw Casino Royale when it first came out they had that train in "Montenegroz', James Bond had lamb and champagne....I had the idea that European trains would really have luxury dining like that. I guess that's truly fiction.

I took the train from Madrid to Malaga and I only remember having a snack and drink. Nice ride though.
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what about Geneva? I thought services would be scheduled at the same time as Paris
Barcelona-Geneva operated by Renfe and a Madrid-Paris operated by SNCF (enlarging one Barcelona-Paris) will be for December 2013
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Old March 6th, 2013, 09:40 AM   #610
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No Switzerland yet. Wait till December, at least...
I hope they put in more trains. At the moment there aren't even convenient connections from Switzerland, as there once were with the Talgos...
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When I saw Casino Royale when it first came out they had that train in "Montenegroz', James Bond had lamb and champagne....I had the idea that European trains would really have luxury dining like that. I guess that's truly fiction.
Modern trains are more and more like mass transit. It's an evolution that doesn't only have advantages...
However some good food can be had. On some high speed services will serve food at your place, air line style, in first class. The service might be airline style, at least on Thalys services the food is quite good. I like there breakfasts a lot :-)
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I hope they put in more trains. At the moment there aren't even convenient connections from Switzerland, as there once were with the Talgos...
I´d rather have Bordeaux and Nice than Geneva.
There is also the possibility of not having a rail connection to Switzerland, which might be desirable in certain cases.
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I´d rather have Bordeaux and Nice than Geneva.
There is also the possibility of not having a rail connection to Switzerland, which might be desirable in certain cases.
If a convenient connection exists I don't mind. If more services would call at Lyon it would be sufficient, as hourly connections from Geneve to Lyon exist.
But a Geneve - Barcelona day time train once existed. This train used Talgo stock. Later when this service was cut back to Montpellier a convenient connection between a Geneve - Montpellier TGV and the Montpellier - Barcelona Talgo existed.
Now neither a direct train, nor a convenient, fast connection exist. That is disappointing. Especially since Switzerland is good market to sell train travel in.
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Well and it will exist.... twice per day!!!
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Old March 7th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #615
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Any plans for Lille, with stops at Disney and CDG?

Also I'm wondering why the evening TLS-BCN service doesn't stop at Carcassone - meaning a proper return journey isn't possible.
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In an old plan I had a look to a Lille-Barcelona train... but they were just expectations.

What we know is that SNCF will enlarge several services in April, Renfe and SNCF will enlarge other ones in July and something else to concrete in Decembre.

By the way, these news were taken in a very specific Spanish railway forum where some of SSC forumer write too. They wrote here the information and, some days later, Catalunya Radio told the news but without saying the source.
Some days later a French newspaper is the first to tell the news but always according to Catalunya Radio

And what about Catalunya Radio source????????
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Old March 8th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #617
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HeyHo,

this is kind of off-topic, but maybe you can help me

I do have a subscription of the monthly french railway newspaper "Rail Passion".
Now I am thinking of getting a subscription of another french railway magazin, so I thought of "La vie du rail".
As a matter of fact there are two different "La vie du rail" editions, one is a monthly ["Magazine"] edition and the other is a weekly ["hebdo"] edition.

Are there big differences between those two editions? Is all information of the weekly papercompromized together at the end of the month for the monthly "la vie du rail"?
Which edition would you suggest me to buy?

Is there any other french railway newspaper that you can suggest for me? [I'm interested in modern traffic - no model railway, trams, metro or steam trains :PP]

Thank you very much for your answer!
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #618
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Railpassion covers pretty well the rail news in France. Any other french
magazine will contain mostly the same information. Not a very good value for
money, if you ask me. I'd rather go for a magazine from another country.
Personally, I read "En lignes" (Belgium), "Rail Passion" (France), "Today's
Railways Europe", and "Trains" (USA). Unfortunately I do not master German
well enough to read a german magazine. But Today's Railways Europe covers
reasonnably well central Europe...
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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:55 PM   #619
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La vie du rail is a very good paper
i read the weekly and monthly version quite good
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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #620
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Unfortunately I do not master German
well enough to read a german magazine.
The Swiss SER (in German) has an English version with most interesting articles translated: http://www.minirex.ch/
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