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Old March 10th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #621
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Somewhere in France...

Renfe train test under classic line

First services will start on July for these trains

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Old March 15th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #622
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Official news: Frédéric Cuvillier has confirmed on the radio that April the 28th is the date the direct TGV services Barcelona-Paris and vv. will start running. Two per day, three on weekends.
Also two AVE Barcelona-Toulouse and vv. per day.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #623
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Heeeey,

A simular question like I just asked in the "Spain, HSR" thread - this time it's for France:

I am curious about month/year tickets for commuters on the TGV. I know that there is something called the "abo forfait", as a matter of fact I didn't find out how it really works or what's the price for it. Do I only need to pay the reservation with abo forfait and can use as much journeys as I like to do on the TGV? Are there prices to be found online?

However, is there something like a year ticket for ALL of SNCF network? Like there is the Bahncard 100 in Germany or the Swiss Generalabo? As far as I know, nothing like this excists in France, but I am not sure.

Thanks for your information and help
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 12:48 AM   #624
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Now that the OUIGO service has been out a few weeks , is ridership doing well or has it flopped?
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 01:19 AM   #625
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The Ouigo service started yesterday Monday April 2nd, it's just the tickets that are being sold since some time.

(has it been said that "ouigo" is the French way to write the English sound for "we go"?)
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 06:04 AM   #626
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(has it been said that "ouigo" is the French way to write the English sound for "we go"?)
Yes. though "go" in French has a different sound as the "o" is short, am I right?
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 12:02 PM   #627
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Yes.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 04:38 PM   #628
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Hi guys. Sorry, but TGV trains are sexy and I just wanted to share some pics I took recently at Paris Est station.







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Old April 4th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #629
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Now that the OUIGO service has been out a few weeks , is ridership doing well or has it flopped?
According to International Rail Journal, so far SNCF has sold over 200,000 tickets for Ouigo. So I would say: yes.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 09:30 AM   #630
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Hey,

I have read that the old TGV Sud -est trains are going to be taken out of service in the next years.

Are all of the 109 Sud-est Trains still in use? How many Are already taken out of service? When were the first trains taken out of service? And how long are they still running?

Same question for the TGV Atlantique, are all of them still in use?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #631
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The multisystem PSE sets (Paris Sud-Est) for France-Switzerland traffic are already out of service.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #632
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Hey,

I have read that the old TGV Sud -est trains are going to be taken out of service in the next years.

Are all of the 109 Sud-est Trains still in use? How many Are already taken out of service? When were the first trains taken out of service? And how long are they still running?

Same question for the TGV Atlantique, are all of them still in use?
Most of the first generation TGVs (TGV-PSE, for Paris-Sud-Est) are still in
service, having undergone various refurbishment programs. Now it is
considered to re-use them as intercity trains on the non high speed lines as
replacement for loco-hauled Corail rakes. No final decision taken yet, but
in any case, it won't be before several years.

All TGV Atlantique sets are still in service too.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #633
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With a few modifications they could be used by NS HiSpeed and NMBS for the Fyra service...
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With a few modifications they could be used by NS HiSpeed and NMBS for the Fyra service...
I doubt they can be easily adapted to run under 3000V DC...
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I doubt they can be easily adapted to run under 3000V DC...
I was going to say that... Adapting from 3000 to 1500 is easy, but definitely
not the other way around. Just think about the whole HT electrical insulation
which needs to be redone from scratch...
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Now I thought about that, but one thing triggered me to think it may be easier than we think: The power rating of a TGV-PSE is 3100 kW @ 1.5kV and 6800 kW @ 25kV.

These trains still have DC traction motors. The way it works is the same as with the BB22200 locomotives: Pantograph=>Transformer=>Rectifier=>Chopper=>Motor. If you run on DC the Transformer (and possibly the rectifier) are left out.
Because of the big difference in power ratings on the 2 voltages that leads me to believe that the traction motors run on a lower voltage while on 1.5 kV, probably even a factor of 2. That could mean the motor could handle 3 kV.

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Now I thought about that, but one thing triggered me to think it may be easier than we think: The power rating of a TGV-PSE is 3100 kW @ 1.5kV and 6800 kW @ 25kV.

These trains still have DC traction motors. The way it works is the same as with the BB22200 locomotives: Pantograph=>Transformer=>Rectifier=>Chopper=>Motor. If you run on DC the Transformer (and possibly the rectifier) are left out.
Because of the big difference in power ratings on the 2 voltages that leads me to believe that the traction motors run on a lower voltage while on 1.5 kV, probably even a factor of 2. That could mean the motor could handle 3 kV.
When running under DC current, you obviously don't need a rectifier.
The usual setting is to use a chopper which transmits the full catenary voltage
at full throttle. The limitation of the power under 1.5 kV is most probably
coming from a power supply limitation when sets are running in multiple.

Under 25 kV, the transfo + rectifier "emulates" a DC catenary but without
the power supply limitation, so the full power of the motors can be used.

As I said above, the main problem is insulation. All the HT cabling would need
to be redone, and the motors changed, as the wire insulation in the motor
coils could not handle the 3 kV.
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Under DC current you don't need the rectifier, but it won't hurt either.
I hadn't thought of multiple running. 1.5kV x 4kA = 6MW, which is about the power of 2 sets
Anyway, whichever way you put it, you would indeed need a major overhaul to make it work under 3kV which is technically no problem, but very likely not worth it from a financial point of view.
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As I said above, the main problem is insulation. All the HT cabling would need
to be redone, and the motors changed, as the wire insulation in the motor
coils could not handle the 3 kV.
I thought the usual solution to running under 3kV was to just parallel engine pairs. That way what is needed is: Some cabling and switches and a pantograph suitable for 3kV. That is (AFAIK) how the Thalys PBKA sets do it.
However, retrofitting that to TGV PSE is not going to be easy, nor would it make economic sense...
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:28 PM   #640
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I just saw a TGV Postal and I ask: Does anyone knows how are they currently being used? Wich and how much services do they do?
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