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Old August 31st, 2013, 11:50 AM   #741
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Old August 31st, 2013, 05:50 PM   #742
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Old October 6th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #743
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Are the oldest Eurostar releaved to TGV services? I had to make several trips in the last days in the LGV Nord and I've always taken TGV services, that were announced and sold as TGVs (I bought them by myself in the ticket hall because the travels departament of my company has I don't know what problem with the e-tickets of SNCF) and they were always operated by old Eurostars. Also some of them had TGV sticks.

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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #744
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Those are NOL trains.
A stock of a few "Eurostar" trains was sent to companies with the idea of operating services north of London (hence "NOL"). THey were not much used, and they were hired by Sncf, which uses them in services from Paris to the Nord-Pas de clais región (Lille, Dunkerque, Boulogne, etc).
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #745
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So, no more of the ugly multi-couloured Lacroix(?) livery ? Thank God. I hated it.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #746
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Those are NOL trains.
A stock of a few "Eurostar" trains was sent to companies with the idea of operating services north of London (hence "NOL"). THey were not much used, and they were hired by Sncf, which uses them in services from Paris to the Nord-Pas de clais región (Lille, Dunkerque, Boulogne, etc).
Thanks. The only TGV services that I've seen in the line that were operated by TGV stock were those travelling throught Roissy-CDG.

They are confortable trains, specially due to the big shelves for the luggage next to the doors. I think that they travel with the bar closed.

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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #747
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I just used this new TGV Duplex for the first time, albeit it was only to get from Basel to Zurich so no high speed. Really nice train albeit someone had already ripped off the garbage can next to our seats ...
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Old October 27th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #748
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HeyHo,

at the moment I'm searching around wikipedia and my french about the different types of TGV Duplex generations. It's NOT easy for me. Can anybody please help me with the different generations with delivery and about the ability to run in the non-frech countries.

This is what I found out, please correct me if I am wrong:

Thank you so much - hopefully I will get the TGV Duplex a bit clear:

First generation TGV Duplex:

Trains 201 - 230: delivery 1995 - 1997 (Trains 219 - 222 are built to Ouigo)

Trains 231 - 289: delivery 2001 - 2006

All trains (bicourant) are able to run under 25 kV, 50 Hz AC 1,5 kv DC
Wikipedia say that there are trains no. 290 - 293: I don't understand what they are used to do?

Are they able to run into foreign countries?

Train no. 255 is not running anymore


Second generation Réseau Duplex:


Trains 601 - 619: Went into service in 2006 - 2007
(Train 613 - 615 are tricourage while the rest is able to operate under 25 kV, 50 Hz AC 1,5 kv DC only. Are Train no. 613 - 615 able to run to Belgium? If yes, are they today in service to/from Belgium?)
Motors were taken from TGV Réseau sets that were used to build the TGV POS


Third generation Dayse:

Trains 701 - 749 (or 753??): formed with TGV POS motors.
Are the 51 TGV Dayse trains able to run to foreign countries?

[Trains 725 - 750 are able to run to the spanish city of Figueres.
The TGV Dayse went into service between 2008 and 2011.

24 TGV Dayse were ordered in 2005, 25 in 2007 (plus additional 3 in 2008, why are they ordered??) -.

The TGV Ouigo trains were formed with trains no. 721 - 724 and are now named no. 760 - 763.

Are the TGV Dayse only bicourant?

Fourth generation TGV 2N2 or EuroDuplex:

Is it correct, that those are NOT called TGV Dayse anymore? Are all of them called EuroDuplex/2n2 or is this expression only for the international no.?

55 tricourant trains:

a) 30 trains "3UA" (tricourant Allemagne): 4701 - 4730: Trains are able to run to Germany and Switzerland. Are all 30 able to run into BOTH countries?

b) 10 trains "3UH" (tricourant Hispanisé): 801 - 810: Trains to run into Spain.

c) 15 trains "3UF" (tricourant France): 811 - 825: Those 15 trains are only for French domestic traffic - Why tricourant? Is bicourant not enough for domestic service?

5th Generation

Now I understand that SNCF ordered 30 additional TGV 2N2 in summer 2012 and 10 in summer 2014:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...plex-sets.html

Are they only for domestic services or will they run international? What will the numbers be?


Thank you very much for your information. Can anybody tell me what trains are able to run with ETCS? What trains are able to run to Belgium, France, Germany, Swiss and Luxembourg?

Thanks!
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Old October 27th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #749
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No Duplex trains run to Belgium nowadays.

The DASYE (Duplex ASYnchrone ERTMS) and Euroduplex sets are equipped with ERTMS.
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Here a list according to an article on the last Rail Passion magazine with integrations from Wikipedia, as is common in TGV history some trainsets have been rearranged and renumbered so this adds confusion:
* 201-289 first batch delivered until 2006, vehicles from trains 219-222 were splitted in various sets (see below), while train was 255 rebuilt as DASYE 750 with two new locomotives (units 29799/29800) after an accident where one of the original locomotives (29110) caught fire
* 290-293 trains formed by locomotives from trains 219-222 and coaches from train 721-724
* 601-619 Réseau-Duplex units, alias RD, made by new coaches and older locomotives taken from some Réseau sets (whose coaches became TGV POS with new locomotives), in service from around 2008, trains 613-615 have 3-current locomotives (3 kV DC, ex 4507-4509 for Belgium)
* 701-749 new DASYE sets, from February 2008)
* 750 ex train 255, see above, new locomotives like 701-749 but coaches from train 255
* 760-763 trains formed by locomotives from trains 721-724 and coaches from train 219-222
* 801-810 alias 3UH, for Spain, if I understand correctly without equipment for 15 kV AC
* 811-825 alias 3UF, for France only, same as above, no 15 kV
* 4701-4730 alias 3UA, alias Euroduplex, for Germany and Switzerland (I think they are equipped for both at the same time)
* 40 new sets ordered in July 2013, they were the options of the 2007 bid for trains 8xx and 47xx but will only be used for France, so I suppose they could be numbered 826-865, deliveries 2015-2019
* a single spare locomotive type 3UA, also compatible with POS and DASYE sets (that is, 7xx, 8xx, 44xx, 47xx), but according to Wikipedia numbered in the same range as 3UF locomotives, not as 3 UA locomotives

Basically trains 219-222 and 721-724 swapped the coaches with each other becoming 290-293 and 760-763, these latter being the Ouigo sets.

Trains 732-749 (not the other of the 7xx series) can go to Figueras, but not Barcelona.

All trains of the 7xx series have DASYE locomotives, there are a total of 50 of them as not all numbers between 701 and 763 are used.

Coaches of trains 601-619 are identical to those of the 2xx series. I'm not sure that 613-615 (locomotives from 4507-4509) can still go to Belgium, probably not. The end coaches of train 618 were those used for the 575 km/h record (the central coach of the record train was specially built and is not in service with SNCF, while locomotives were used for a POS set, 4402 or 4406 I don't remember).

The only trains approved to run outside France are 4701-4730 for the 15 kV networks and 801-810 for Spain (plus 732-749 -not 725-750 as Wikipedia says- that can go until Figueras but not beyond, and 613-615).
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Old October 28th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #751
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Old October 28th, 2013, 03:05 AM   #752
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Old October 30th, 2013, 04:43 PM   #753
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quick question:

Is the LGV est Phase 2 (to Strasbourg) scheduled to open in December 2015 or December 2016.

Thanks!
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Old October 30th, 2013, 04:50 PM   #754
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Neither one nor the other

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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM   #755
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Nice interior
I respectfully disagree. The German ICEs (wooden panels, crome....) are IMHO much more tasteful. Other trains as well. This is not to say that the French are not capable of doing better - the somewhat spartan interior of the TGVs was a political choice. The then-president Francois Mitterand was acutely aware that the new TGV concept was likely to attract mainly business people, single travelers and wealthy families, so decided to "democratiser la vitesse" (=democratize the speed) avoiding any frills and luxuries. - However, many ordinary people in France still call TGV the "train des millionaires".
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Given that I've traveled first class the length of the country for €19 (and that was before iDTGV or OuiGo), I'd have to disagree about the millionaires thing...
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@ hans280
I totally understand ur explanation and i appreciate the extra info. I haven't seen the interior of the German ICEs and would like to see. Can u post any pics.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #759
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A noise study of the Dutch HSL-Zuid revealed that the ventilation openings on top of the motor cars and the pantographs were the noisiest parts of the Thalys trains running there (Thalys trains are essentially repainted TGVs). It's interesting to see that this video also confirms that.
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Isn't regenerative braking the most problematic noise emission from high-speed trains (they are low-frequency and propagate more therefore)?
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