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Old October 27th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #841
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Cour des Comptes: troubles with TGV network, too many stations served

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The Cour des Comptes (Audit Office) blamed local authorities for pressuring the state to allow the TGV to pass through their towns, creating an “incoherent” network. As a result, there are now a total 230 TGV stations across France, many on lines which are loss-making for the state-run SNCF company.

According to the French report, 33 years after the first TGV was launched, 40% of TGV trains still travel on conventional track rather than the specially built high-speed lines.

Suggesting that the high-speed model was “running out of steam”, the report said that high-speed rail often failed to meet the necessary criteria. These were “to link large population centres, within one and a half to three hours, few or no intermediate stops, a frequent service, a high user rate and good connections to other forms of transport”.

Pointing to examples where the social and economic viability of new high-speed lines had been overestimated, the Audit Office highlighted a steady drop in TGV profitability since 2008. The decision-making process had been only “partly rational” in the cases of the Tours-Bordeaux line, which is due to open in 2017 at an estimated cost of €8.8bn (£6.9bn), Bordeaux to Toulouse and Poitiers to Limoges.

The Audit Office recommended a gradual reduction in the number of TGV stops, better planning and more transparency in passenger statistics.

SNCF is already considering rationalising the number of stations. But according to a French business website, the rail company is also looking into possible first class fare rises and restrictions on ticket refunds and exchanges in standard class in an attempt to restore TGV profitability,as well as possibly eliminating the bar-buffet car.
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Old October 27th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #842
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40% of TGV trains still travel on conventional track rather than the specially built high-speed lines
And what's wrong with that?
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Old October 27th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #843
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Straight from the (how should Cour des Comptes be called in Enligsh?)

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Recommandations

La Cour formule huit recommandations visant notamment à :
1. mieux intégrer la grande vitesse aux choix de mobilité des Français, en insérant le TGV dans une offre tirant parti de l’ensemble des moyens de transport et en levant les restrictions à la concurrence des modes de transport longues distances routiers ;

2. restreindre progressivement le nombre d’arrêts sur les tronçons de LGV et de dessertes des TGV sur voies classiques et extrémités de lignes, en ne conservant que celles justifiées par un large bassin de population ;

3. assurer la transparence des données de la SNCF, en particulier la fréquentation par ligne ;

4. faire prévaloir l’évaluation socio-économique des projets de LGV annoncés ;

5. ne décider du lancement des études préliminaires qu’après :
- la définition d’un plan d’affaires pour la ligne, associant le gestionnaire d’infrastructure et le ou les opérateurs ferroviaires ;
- la prise en compte par une décision interministérielle formelle des perspectives de financement du projet d’infrastructure et la répartition entre les acteurs (État, RFF, éventuellement collectivités territoriales) ;

6. veiller au paiement par l’Afitf de ses engagements financiers vis-à-vis de RFF et clarifier rapidement la question des ressources de cette agence ;

7. concentrer en priorité les moyens financiers sur l’entretien du réseau par rapport aux projets de développement et améliorer le pilotage de la prestation d’entretien du réseau ferroviaire par le gestionnaire d’infrastructure ;

8. veiller à ce que la définition des futurs ratios d’endettement du gestionnaire d’infrastructure conduise effectivement à ne pas financer des projets non rentables.
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They recommend reducing the number of stops, in particular the "branching" of trains after the end of high-speed line sectors (if I understood it correctly). They want more direct and faster connections (as it is explained on the report) to increase time-sensitive attractiveness of TGV.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 06:52 AM   #844
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This should make the system a lot more efficient.
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This should make the system a lot more efficient.
On thing they could do is have the TGVs make less stops, and have more "TERGV" type services, integrated in the local network, with coordinated transfers to the TGV network.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 09:58 AM   #846
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It's how the Japanese operate their trains.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 05:22 PM   #850
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On thing they could do is have the TGVs make less stops, and have more "TERGV" type services, integrated in the local network, with coordinated transfers to the TGV network.
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It's how the Japanese operate their trains.
On high speed tracks there are very few stops but it is when TGV uses normal line after that they recommand to make less stop.
Most small or medium cities refuse to lose their direct connection to Paris.

The best would be to restrict the TGV to regional hubs, more trains between Paris and the regional hub and then regional services to other cities.

This is also a good way to increase the traffic of some train stations because outside Lyon Part-Dieu, Lille Flandres and Strasbourg, the traffic in main train stations outside Paris is quite low.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 11:11 PM   #852
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High Speed line Tours-Bordeaux (300km).
Designed for 350km/h. Open 2017

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SNCF launches its ambitious, transformative #DIGITALSNCF agenda



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SNCF embarking on an ambitious, multi-year agenda to drive the complete digital transformation of their business. #DIGITALSNCF comprises several big initiatives focused on 4 principal areas including Open Data, Big Data, Design and Connected Objects. Some of the key initiatives include using tablets for maintenance of their train system, partnering with startups to develop and launch new mobile applications, and launching an effort to open up even more to the tech ecosystem with their Open Data, Open API and Open Innovation programs. Their objective is for these initiatives to fruition over the next 18 months.

One of the standout new initiatives for SNCF, particularly over the next 6 months, will be their increased focus on connected objects and robotics which they see as important future drivers of growth. They’re even working on ways to integrate augmented reality into the maintenance and servicing of their train system which they believe will lead to better results and lower costs.

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Finally, and perhaps their biggest announcement, was that they will soon be launching 30 million euro fund over the next three years. From the fund they’ll invest in 12 to 15 startups focusing on digital innovation of transportation.

Finally, they also have some big plans for the area that is perhaps most important to travellers, wifi access. Last fall, SNCF announced some big steps to continue their journey of upgrading significantly the digital experience for their users, including equipping SNCF stations and some lines with 3G/4G. Travellers will finally see big results on this as they plan to equip all TGV trains with free wifi by end 2016.
http://www.rudebaguette.com/2015/02/...alsncf-agenda/

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About time. For the modern traveler, WiFi is a facility that makes travel time more productive.
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About time. For the modern traveler, WiFi is a facility that makes travel time more productive.
May be but my question is "do they get their priorities right". I mean, the
SNCF network and the way it is operated is in such a state of disrepair that
there are many other, more important objectives to pursue than this. Like
getting freight customers back, fixing lines "temporarily suspended" because
of deferred maintenance, improve reliability, bring operating costs back, etc.
But in fact I think that this kind of communication is just smoke & mirrors to
prevent the public to realize that they are totaly incapable to achieve those
goals.
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May be but my question is "do they get their priorities right". I mean, the
SNCF network and the way it is operated is in such a state of disrepair that
there are many other, more important objectives to pursue than this. Like
getting freight customers back, fixing lines "temporarily suspended" because
of deferred maintenance, improve reliability, bring operating costs back, etc.
But in fact I think that this kind of communication is just smoke & mirrors to
prevent the public to realize that they are totaly incapable to achieve those
goals.
But SNCF is not the entity I'm charge of tracks
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Old February 13th, 2015, 04:38 PM   #859
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They have re-united SNCF and RFF now (a la Deutsche Bahn) so it makes no difference
anymore. And there are enough points to be solved at the SNCF side to keep them busy
for several years. Like preparing for the opening of the regional passengers market. Many
SNCF regions publicly say that they are so unhappy with SNCF service and price that
they would go immediately to competition if it was possible now.
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Video:

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Power outage at the worst possible time this morning(just as the kids start their holidays ). Paris-Rennes TGVs will all be a minimum of 2 hours late because of the power outage. The problem will be fixed by Saturday morning at the earliest and until then all trains will make a detour using the lines passing by Nantes.

500 people were stranded in one of the TGVs for more than 4 hours until a TER came to rescue them. Originally the plan was to get a diesel locomotive to tow the TGV but a damaged catenary rendered the operation impossible. Also, because the track was too far away from the road they could not get buses to rescue them for security reasons (I assume because of liability)

The incident in question happened in the departement of Mayenne at the commune of Saint-Pierre-la-Cour

Everyone in the train was given a meal plate and a refund for the train ticket.

http://france3-regions.francetvinfo....es-654757.html

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