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Old June 7th, 2015, 01:36 AM   #901
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Spain also has non-Madrid suburban rail networks. That's because Spain's population is unevenly distributed over the country, with some rather dense urban areas next to vast very low-density ones. The population in France is more evenly distributed, although as you said, it hasn't th density of Britain, Germany or the Benelux.

It's just that France, outside Paris, lacks really big urban areas.
Only Nice, Marseille, Lyon and Lille come close to having a suburban rail network.
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Old June 7th, 2015, 04:26 AM   #902
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Probably because of the distances .... Spain, which is quite large too, has the same configuration. Belgium, Holland, England which are much smaller and denser populated countries probably have these suburban connections.
I think that's one of the (several) reasons why indeed.
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Old June 12th, 2015, 09:25 AM   #903
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I love to travel through high speed trains especially in France and maximum operating speed of the AGV (Automotrice Grande Vitesse) is 360kmph.

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Old June 12th, 2015, 09:49 AM   #904
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I love to travel through high speed trains especially in France and maximum operating speed of the AGV(Automotrice Grande Vitesse) is 360kmph.
There are no AGVs running in France... The only customer for Alstom AGV so
far is NTV (.Italo) in Italy : http://www.italotreno.it/EN/Pages/default.aspx
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Old June 12th, 2015, 12:30 PM   #905
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And they are pretty nice trains I can tell you - I went on one last year.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 03:55 AM   #906
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Eh maybe SNCF will start using them
When they eventually decide to get rid of the Sud-Ests, the Atlantiques and the Résaus. Seriously they can't last forever even DB is getting rid of the ICE1s and ICE2s within the next five years.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:03 AM   #907
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Elimination of some series started already, sud-est, and the ex-Eurostar used for
domestic services. But for the moment they keep purchasing bilevels only.

I think DB sets accumulated kms much faster than the SNCF fleet, they are used much
more intensively. Like the SNCF Ouigo fleet. So they will be replaced faster too...
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Old June 15th, 2015, 02:01 AM   #908
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FRANCE | High Speed Rail

I know this question appears here every once and a while but why does SNCF use Bi-level rolling stock? Also why do they not use EMUs
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Old June 15th, 2015, 08:53 AM   #909
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Because of seating capacity limitations of a single deck TGV.
Though it doesn't have distributed traction I do consider the TGV an EMU. It is a fixed consist Electrical Multiple Unit after all.
The TGV design with its Jacobs bogies doesn't allow for distributed traction as a double decker, because then the maximum allowed axle loads on LGVs would be exceeded. However with current technology it just might be possible. An AGV with 2 or 3 double deck carriages could be the trick.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 09:29 AM   #910
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There are a lot of stations in France that see only a handful of trains a day. For example, Nurieux, to the northeast of Lyon. In total, there are ten departures a day. There are 5 buses, 3 TER trains, and... 2 TGV Lyrias! One to Paris in the morning, and one that returns in the evening.

The logic of having a TGV serve a town with just over 1,000 inhibitants is beyond me.
In France a place that does not have a direct train to Paris doesn't exist as far as the Parisians are concerned. That is the logic behind this.

(In other countries you would in stead have local train at regular intervals, with good connections to the long distance network at both ends)
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Eh maybe SNCF will start using them
When they eventually decide to get rid of the Sud-Ests, the Atlantiques and the Résaus. Seriously they can't last forever even DB is getting rid of the ICE1s and ICE2s within the next five years.
Well, some of them have been renovated in the last years so they are still very comfortable and in a good condition, so I don't think that this is a priority for SNCF and even for customers who won't accept to increase the price of their tickets who is already very high (independently of SNCF for most of them...).

The most important now for SNCF (and regions) is to change the regional trains who are getting old now. This is going on the good way, for example my region (Franche-Comté) got the first new train ordered which is an all new Alstom Regiolis



(But this is not an High Speed Train so a bit off-topic )
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In France a place that does not have a direct train to Paris doesn't exist as far as the Parisians are concerned. That is the logic behind this.

(In other countries you would in stead have local train at regular intervals, with good connections to the long distance network at both ends)
In my opinion this is not really true, we still have some good local trains in France even if the situation is not as ideal as it should be...
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In my opinion this is not really true, we still have some good local trains in France even if the situation is not as ideal as it should be...
You have them in some places, but often they are not very well coordinated or integrated. This leads to slow and infrequent service on several routes. Many places only have a handful of trains a day. It's not efficient to keep a line open just for that...
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You have them in some places, but often they are not very well coordinated or integrated. This leads to slow and infrequent service on several routes. Many places only have a handful of trains a day. It's not efficient to keep a line open just for that...
Maybe you are talking about some small lines who are experiencing the lack of investment from local authorities and who face the competition of bus and car mostly in rural regions where cars are almost mandatory for peoples....

But on other lines with a great number of users, these last years, SNCF lauched the "clocking" so the trains leave at the same minute each hour for example...
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Old June 24th, 2015, 05:19 PM   #916
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The postal TGV always seemed like such a waste of resources to me.
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The postal TGV always seemed like such a waste of resources to me.
Why? It's fast, it's much much environment-friendly (almost no polution) than the flights or trucks he replaced, and it comes right in the middle of the capital without needing 10 trucks or more...

For me this is the opposite, a great example that we can do great thinks without using everytime the road or even flight!
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Old June 24th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #918
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For me this is the opposite, a great example that we can do great thinks without using everytime the road or even flight!
The problem is last-mile connectivity (as always).

How do parcels and letters get to the station? Trucks are needed right? And transshipment takes time.
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So? You get it from the sorting center to the mail-TGV with trucks. Then for hundreds of kilometers it goes straight to Paris at high speed. Then trucks take it to the sorting center there.

Much better than those same trucks all doing the journey all the way to Paris for hundreds of kilometers.
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Old June 25th, 2015, 10:11 AM   #920
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The problem is, with all sorts of alternatives to paper mail available, the volumes of mail
that remain do not require anymore the capacity of a train...

Even in Belgium, where the post office had dedicated trains and sorting centers with a
rail connection inside the buildings, they abandoned that to move to road-based
transport. They even abandoned their sorting centers to build new ones connected to
the highways. A very short-sighted move, if you ask me...
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