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Old March 4th, 2016, 10:41 AM   #1141
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Old March 5th, 2016, 04:20 AM   #1142
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High speed TGV, the new livery of Eurostar on France

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Old March 11th, 2016, 12:42 PM   #1143
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Just passed 3 TGV PSE sets at Culoz clearly waiting to be scrapped and covered in graffiti.

A sad fate for such pioneering vehicles...
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Old March 17th, 2016, 09:53 AM   #1144
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They were built between 1979 and 1985. Presumably these are older sets, so they're presumably over 35 years old. In that time they will probably have racked up a mileage even a regular intercity train set will not reach in a hundred years.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 04:44 PM   #1145
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I'm trying to find information on the new TGV route that is supposed to be constructed between Marsielle and Nice.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...ille-nice-tgv/
I can't find anything about it other than that link.

The route should be Marsielle - Toulon - Hyere - St Maxime - Frejus - Cannes - Nice
It would connect eastern Cote d'Azur (which today is pretty isolated) and it would help the overcongested roads.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 11:58 PM   #1146
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They were built between 1979 and 1985. Presumably these are older sets, so they're presumably over 35 years old. In that time they will probably have racked up a mileage even a regular intercity train set will not reach in a hundred years.
Agreed, but given the pioneering nature of the sets, why wouldn't SNCF donate them to railroad museums around the world? Think of the tax writeoffs!
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Old March 25th, 2016, 12:09 AM   #1147
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I'm trying to find information on the new TGV route that is supposed to be constructed between Marsielle and Nice.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...ille-nice-tgv/
I can't find anything about it other than that link.
Some links that may be interesting:

http://www.lignenouvelle-provencecotedazur.fr/

http://www.lignenouvelle-provencecot..._ln_170815.pdf
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Old March 25th, 2016, 02:13 AM   #1148
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Ah thanks!
Looks pretty good except that they skip past Grimaud, St. Maxime and Frejus. Thats a shame.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 01:05 AM   #1149
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These figures are much lower than those found on Wikipedia and published by the Spanish government, which claims more than 3,000 km of high-speed rail lines in Spain. I suppose the 3,000+ km figure includes lots of non-high-speed lines used by high-speed trains (like Zaragoza-Huelva), in order to artificially boost their figures and boast.

Even this figure of 2.623 km includes lots of sections where speed is lower than 240 km/h, which wouldn't qualify as high-speed in France. For example the current Tours-Bordeaux line is used by TGVs which ride at 220 km/h, and nobody considers that high-speed in France, and it's not included in the total mileage of the high-speed lines in France.

So I wonder whether these comparisons between France and Spain are not totally apples and oranges...

If only 2.205 km of lines in Spain are able to carry trains riding at more than 240 km/h, then it looks like France will have a larger high-speed railway network than Spain by the middle of next year. Currently there are 2.037 km of high-speed lines in France. 106 km of new line will open this year, 182 km in the Spring of next year, and 302 km in the Summer of next year (all double-track railway lines; it's crazy that Spain builds single-track high-speed lines! ).

So that means by the middle of next year, France should have 2.627 km of high-speed lines, more than Spain even if Spain manages to open a few sections like Murcia in the meantime (but is Murcia a real high-speed line or a line partly or entirely under 240 km/h? I have doubts now).

These stats are interesting because they show you have to look in detail at figures and not trust boastful statements made by governments. For example the French stats don't count the non-high-speed sections of the new high-speed lines (the new Tours-Bordeaux line is listed as a 302 km high-speed line, but in reality that's only the length of the high-speed section of the line, i.e. the section where trains will ride at more than 300 km/h, and it does not include 40 km of sections which will link the line to the existing network and on which TGVs will ride at less than 300 km/h), whereas I see Spain includes them.
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 04:11 AM   #1150
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Just passed 3 TGV PSE sets at Culoz clearly waiting to be scrapped and covered in graffiti.

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A lot of these sets have been given another overhaul and are still working today. Sets in at least the 80 series of numbers are working the Paris-Lille hourly service but one of the first class coaches has become a second class coach to add more seats. Of course these are later sets but they are still from the first batch.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:19 AM   #1151
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Old April 5th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #1152
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This is the Atlantique series dating back from 1990-1991. 26 years on the track and still rolling.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #1153
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I hope that SNCF will replace these trainsets with new AGVs
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Old April 5th, 2016, 04:57 PM   #1154
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Why would they? They don't look THAT dated plus they still seem to work.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 05:48 PM   #1155
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Even the TGV Sud-Est are still running, aren't they? Are there plans to retire those? Deutsche Bahn is planning to start retiring their ICE 1 and 2 sets (early 1990s) from 2020 on. From what I've read I thought that high speed trains generally don't last much longer than 30 years due to increased wear and tear.
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Old April 12th, 2016, 07:57 AM   #1156
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TGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire timetable revealed
Monday, April 11, 2016



WITH 450 days to go before the launch of commercial services, SNCF Voyages CEO Mrs Barbara Dalibard announced the timetable for TGV services on the Bretagne-Pays-de-la-Loire high-speed line on April 8

From July 2017, the fastest Paris Montparnasse - Rennes journey time will fall from 2h 4min to 1h 25min, with trains running at up to 320km/h on the new line from Le Mans to Rennes. Paris - St Malo will be reduced from 2h 56min to 2h14min, while the Paris - Brest journey time will be 3h 25min, compared with 4h 11min today

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Even the TGV Sud-Est are still running, aren't they? Are there plans to retire those? Deutsche Bahn is planning to start retiring their ICE 1 and 2 sets (early 1990s) from 2020 on. From what I've read I thought that high speed trains generally don't last much longer than 30 years due to increased wear and tear.
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They were built between 1979 and 1985. Presumably these are older sets, so they're presumably over 35 years old. In that time they will probably have racked up a mileage even a regular intercity train set will not reach in a hundred years.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 12:59 PM   #1158
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Old April 16th, 2016, 08:35 PM   #1159
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The TGV PSE sets are being replaced by new TGV 2N2 set. But there are no full retirement plans for now. The sets that have been modernized and repainted in the new livery (as seen in post #1156) will soldier on.
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The TGV PSE sets are being replaced by new TGV 2N2 set. But there are no full retirement plans for now. The sets that have been modernized and repainted in the new livery (as seen in post #1156) will soldier on.
Most of the trainsets currently in service are OLDER than those already scrapped...

There are at present 45 trainsets, most of them built in 1980-81.

Here the current situation, with withdrawal dates:

http://trainsso.pagesperso-orange.fr/TGVSE.pdf
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