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Old April 18th, 2016, 06:01 AM   #1161
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I'm trying to find information on the new TGV route that is supposed to be constructed between Marsielle and Nice.
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2...ille-nice-tgv/
I can't find anything about it other than that link.

The route should be Marsielle - Toulon - Hyere - St Maxime - Frejus - Cannes - Nice
It would connect eastern Cote d'Azur (which today is pretty isolated) and it would help the overcongested roads.
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Ah thanks!
Looks pretty good except that they skip past Grimaud, St. Maxime and Frejus. Thats a shame.
No, that's not a shame. Building a HSL along the coast in the Var, would be suicidally expensive, and the area is not as populated as further east or west.

It will be expensive enough to build all the improvements needed in Provence and the Côte d'Azur as stated on the plans.

Meanwhile, the roads and trains are busier and busier...
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Old April 18th, 2016, 03:51 PM   #1162
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French high-speed project rejected
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THE declaration of public utility to build a high-speed line from Poitier to Limoges, which was granted in January 2015, has been annulled by France's State Council. This is the first time a French high-speed project has suffered such a fate

The State Council, which is the is the highest administrative jurisdiction in France and advises the government on the preparation of bills, ordinances and certain decrees, found that the economic and social assessment for the project had shortcomings and, as it considered that the disadvantages outweighed the benefits, the scheme lacked public utility. The project has also been criticised as being unaffordable

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Old April 18th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #1163
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From Poitier to Limoges? Hadn't heard of such a project before... Why would it even be necessary? Was it meant to later cross the whole France in the middle?
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Old April 19th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #1164
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From Poitier to Limoges? Hadn't heard of such a project before... Why would it even be necessary? Was it meant to later cross the whole France in the middle?
No, it's just that Hollande (Tulle) and Chirac (Ussel) came from there.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #1165
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From Poitier to Limoges? Hadn't heard of such a project before... Why would it even be necessary?
They intended to make a partly single track line, this says enough about the project's uselessness.

Limoges and Poitiers aren't that big urban areas, upgrading the existing line instead would/will be far more feasible and cost-efficient.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 11:57 PM   #1166
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High-speed train TGV cab. LGV Paris Gare de Lyon à Nice Ville

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Old May 3rd, 2016, 08:31 PM   #1167
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Number of high-speed passenger

Passengers in TGV HS trains (millions)
1981: 1,260
1982: 6,080
1983: 9,200
1984: 13,800
1985: 15,400
1986: 15,800
1987: 17,000
1988: 18,300
1989: 20,700
1990: 29,900
1991: 37,000
1992: 39,300
1993: 40,100
1994: 43,900
1995: 46,600
1996: 55,900
1997: 62,700
1998: 68,900
1999: 74,300
2000: 79,700
2001: 83,500
2002: 87,900
2003: 86,700
2004: 90,900
2005: 93,500
2006: 96,900
2007: 104,000
2008: 114,000
2009: 111,000
2010: 112,600
2011: 114,200
2012: 114,200
2013:
2014:
2015:
TOTAL: 1.905,240

Source: to 2009: 2.5.1. Transport de voyageurs : résultats d'ensemble http://www.statistiques.developpemen...zhbfOhKN5Nkpeg
1994/2012 UIC http://www.uic.org/spip.php?article1350

Passengers-kilometers in TGV HS trains (billions)
1981: 0,620
1982: 3,340
1983: 5,340
1984: 7,730
1985: 8,720
1986: 8,930
1987: 9,810
1988: 10,490
1989: 11,510
1990: 14,920
1991: 17,870
1992: 18,960
1993: 18,930
1994: 20,510
1995: 20,944
1996: 24,262
1997: 26,789
1998: 29,677
1999: 32,095
2000: 34,457
2001: 37,200
2002: 39,561
2003: 39,255
2004: 41,251
2005: 42,518
2006: 44,818
2007: 47,964
2008: 52,225
2009: 51,864
2010: 52,783
2011: 54,038
2012: 54,035
2013: 53,764
2014: 53,723
2015:
TOTAL: 990,903

Source: to 2009: 2.5.1. Transport de voyageurs: résultats d'ensemble http://www.statistiques.developpemen...zhbfOhKN5Nkpeg
1994/2012 UIC http://www.uic.org/spip.php?article1350 2000/2014: Les comptes des transports Excel: http://www.statistiques.developpemen...orts-2014.html
Includes international traffic (Eurostar, Thalys, Alleo, Lyria and Rhealys), counting only national trains had 99.7 million Passengers and slightly less than 51 billion Passengers-km in 2012; Ouigo transported 3.6 million Passengers in 2014.

Passengers and Passengers-kilometers world data, and explanation of the fact that the operators and the UIC count -in some cases- the number of passengers on high-speed trains, not on high-speed lines.

If there is any doubt, suffice this fact: if we divide the number of Passengers-km of the LGV Atlantique (page 7) between the number of Passengers (page 13) results the medium-haul, over the years it varies between 388 and 404 km while the maximum travel of the line is 228 km; this can only mean that TGV also account travel along conventional lines.

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Old May 4th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #1168
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International services are included?

What about Eurostar?

And the ICE services running in France?
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Old May 4th, 2016, 12:18 PM   #1169
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Already he puts it:
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Includes international traffic (Eurostar, Thalys, Alleo, Lyria and Rhealys), counting only national trains had 99.7 million Passengers and slightly less than 51 billion Passengers-km in 2012; Ouigo transported 3.6 million Passengers in 2014.
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Alleo is a Franco-German company, Lyria: French-Swiss, and Rhealys involving France, Germany, Luxembourg and Switzerland.
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Old May 30th, 2016, 04:33 PM   #1170
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Approval for Bordeaux and Toulouse/Dax high-speed lines
26 MAY, 2016

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The French State Council has approved a draft decree declaring public utility status for new high-speed lines between Bordeaux and Toulouse/Dax.

The Grand Southwestern Railway Project (GPSO) would extend the Tours – Bordeaux high-speed line, which is set to be commissioned in 2017, to Toulouse and beyond to the Spanish border

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Old May 30th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #1171
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That's an awfully short period to build such a long railway.
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They mean the Tours-Bordeaux LGV will open next year, not the Bordeaux-Tolouse-Dax one.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 03:32 PM   #1174
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Could anybody post a map with the current and future TGV infrastructure. I remember I saw some time ago a map with the network development until 2040 or 2050 and each year progress till 2030 but I could not find the data on internet nowadays. Thanks in advance.

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As some of current and past projects have been delayed or cancelled (without telling it officialy) due to economic difficulties, I wouldn't consider any long term projects "serious" and I would only look at those who are projected in a short/middle term perspective...
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Could anybody post a map with the current and future TGV infrastructure. I remember I saw some time ago a map with the network development until 2040 or 2050 and each year progress till 2030 but I could not find the data on internet nowadays. Thanks in advance.
I think that the map published with the data is enough... existing new lines in blue, and dotted in blue those that are being constructed. And don´t expect more lines for a time.
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This is the map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../Carte_TGV.svg

Only the under construction Nîmes – Montpellier Bypass section is missing.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 05:05 PM   #1178
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On 5 june, the government signed a Declaration of Public Utility for the LGV GPSO project which will link Bordeaux, Toulouse and Dax.



Lest we forget...
-LGV PACA (far more urgent than these South-West projects considering how loaded is the current coastal line)


-stillborn LGV Rhin-Rhône southern branch towards Lyon


-the long awaited Lyon-Turin and its main work, the Mont d'Ambin base tunnel (57 km), St-Gothard & Brenner western counterpart. Guess what? The least advanced one...
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On 5 june, the government signed a Declaration of Public Utility for the LGV GPSO project which will link Bordeaux, Toulouse and Dax.

So is this going to be the main connection from Toulouse to Paris once open?

I have to say France plans its LGV network pretty well to reduce costs. Currently the unfinished TGV via Bordeaux seems to take nearly as much as the InterCity via Brive-la-Gaillarde.
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So no LGVs planned to Italy (Modane) and Spain (Perpignan)?
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