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Old February 23rd, 2017, 12:22 PM   #1281
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High speed Train, TGV, Eurostar, OUIGO in France

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Old February 28th, 2017, 09:34 AM   #1282
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i don't understand Brisavoine report?
They looks like modern, classy at the "avant garde" of design for transport?!

I'm going to perhaps take them to Bordeaux this next spring/summer and genrally i only use 1st class tickets because i hate to pass long time bad seated.
If i have the chance i'll make the report for 1st class impressions.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 08:16 PM   #1283
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Hollande inaugurates Sud Europe Atlantique high-speed line
Tuesday, February 28, 2017



FRENCH president Mr François Hollande attended an inauguration ceremony at Villognon in the southwestern department of Charente on February 28 to mark the official completion of infrastructure on the Sud Europe Atlantique high-speed line from Tours to Bordeaux

The 302km line, and 39km of connections to the conventional network, were constructed by the Lisea consortium of Vinci (33.4%), Caisee des Dépôts/CDC Infrastructure (25.4%), Sojas (22%), and AXA Private Equity (19.2%) under a €7.8bn 50-year design-build-finance-operate-maintain concession, which was awarded in 2011

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Old March 1st, 2017, 12:20 AM   #1284
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i don't understand Brisavoine report?
They looks like modern, classy at the "avant garde" of design for transport?!

I'm going to perhaps take them to Bordeaux this next spring/summer and genrally i only use 1st class tickets because i hate to pass long time bad seated.
If i have the chance i'll make the report for 1st class impressions.
Good, because 2nd class seats look horrible. The ICE seats are world better. Plastic headrests? Seriously?
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Old March 1st, 2017, 01:31 AM   #1285
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Have mind that the cost of this HSR line to Bordeaux has costed 8 billions €
Perhaps you have the reason of this cheap rolling stock
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Old March 1st, 2017, 12:24 PM   #1286
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Report about new TGV Oceane:



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It looks very impressive.I don't understand Brisavoine report?!

Plastic?
in First we talk about leather & wool !!! Why people want to say rubbish?!
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Old March 1st, 2017, 05:18 PM   #1287
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Have mind that the cost of this HSR line to Bordeaux has costed 8 billions €
Perhaps you have the reason of this cheap rolling stock
€8 billion is a lot, especially for the rural landscape it goes through, however, for its distance it is quite cheap compared to the Dutch HST (€4.5B). And you have at least a train with its network from day one, congrats!
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It looks very impressive.I don't understand Brisavoine report?!

Plastic?
in First we talk about leather & wool !!! Why people want to say rubbish?!
Yes, it look awesome, even in second class, I don't understand the critics...
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 12:25 AM   #1289
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Cheap rolling stock? Seriously...
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Old March 4th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #1290
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Sorry it was after reading the maximum of reports.
Now the opinion i have is higher than the critics i read.Just can't wait to test it.


And people continue to say that there's no enough TV screens for a new model when you compare competition (ICE, etc...) but people has at least 2 screens when travelling (phones,tablets,PC).
Why SNCF should put 4-5 screens by car just for people who watch non stop their personnal screens??!
It make sense to reduce useless expenses no?
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Old March 4th, 2017, 10:47 PM   #1291
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Screens on trains should be there only to give travel information, at least two per car. Screens for entertainment are obsolete.
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Old March 5th, 2017, 12:50 PM   #1292
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Isn't there a planned HSL tail from Rennes to St Malo?

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Old March 5th, 2017, 02:18 PM   #1293
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This map does not make any sense.
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Old March 5th, 2017, 07:47 PM   #1294
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This map does not make any sense.
Why, isn't that the future plan with respect to the HSR development in France?
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Old March 5th, 2017, 11:59 PM   #1295
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Why, isn't that the future plan with respect to the HSR development in France?
No, it's a map of a site called LGV2030 with his vision of the French HSL-projects in 2030: (not updated since 2008)
http://lgv2030.free.fr/accueil.htm

The projects which will be built in the next decade in France are the HSL Bordeaux-Toulouse-Spain and the new line Marseille-Nice (in stages). I would also like to see the LGV Interconnexion Sud realised, so the RER C finally is the exclusive domain of RER-trains again..
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It's a collection of every pipe dream ever proposed overlayed over the existing network map. Today, there is no financing and construction schedule for very useful parts of the network (Montpellier - Perpignan, Narbonne - Toulouse) where local, national and freight run on the same line, with no workaround in case of problems.

And yet this map not only takes them for granted, but it also adds many lines that have been rejected (Paris-Clermont through Orléans), or that have never even been seriously considered (Lyon - Nantes through Gueret, Luxembourg-Dijon).
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Old March 6th, 2017, 01:11 AM   #1297
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According to Wikipedia (current?) besides the line to Bordeaux which short of some disaster will open in July also the line to Montpellier and Rennes were scheduled to be in operation this year. Is that still accurate?
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Yes it is. But after that the future is as clear as mud...
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Old March 6th, 2017, 10:14 AM   #1299
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Better to put the money on the conventional lines before they dead from bad track shape. At present there are several branches and not so secondary lines closed because of that.
Also, there is urgently need to liberalizate the market and allow other companies to operate passenger trains, mainly TER ones, as the SNCF is a disaster and charges whatever they want to the regions.
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OK I understand that the previous map is quite optimistic to happen by 2030 because of the overall investment that should be made, but the main backbone is already visible even today. Below is the TGV network showing the current state and the future extentions. The time frame is tight for the corresponding new lines, however, these segments are still feasible provided other concessions are started.
Paris-Bordeaux will open for service in summer. Rennes and Montpellier are going to be connected by HS lines this year.
I agree that Paris-Orleans-Lyon is not urgent. Lyon-Torino is on the agenda sooner or later in the future like Marseille-Nice. On the other hand, the south connection from Bordeaux towards Spain and Madrid as the final goal is quite reasonable. The same holds by the way for the link from Montpellier towards Barcelona. And of course a connection between Bordeaux and Avignon through Toulouse is also very important as the HSL ring will be completed in France.

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