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Old July 5th, 2017, 11:02 PM   #1341
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Bourdeaux-Toulouse-Montepellier TGV is a necessity IMHO.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #1342
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How come the train line between Rennes and Bordeaux is not HSR or even a upgraded conventional line?
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Old July 5th, 2017, 11:52 PM   #1343
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How come the train line between Rennes and Bordeaux is not HSR or even a upgraded conventional line?
Because it avoids Paris.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 02:38 AM   #1344
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Sorry, but there are a lot of lines with daily trains... so there is an everyday train...

But most of them (included those lines with only one train a day) run everyday.
An everyday train is not a train that runs everyday but one that is used by people everyday.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 03:15 AM   #1345
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An everyday train is not a train that runs everyday but one that is used by people everyday.
If the train run everyday SOMEBODY is travelling in in it.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 04:29 AM   #1346
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If the train run everyday SOMEBODY is travelling in in it.
You are a hopeless case.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:08 AM   #1347
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You are a hopeless case.
No, you are.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:17 AM   #1348
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The biggest problem with French rail system is it's too centered on Paris, but I'm guessing everybody knew that.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 12:21 PM   #1349
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The biggest problem with French rail system is it's too centered on Paris, but I'm guessing everybody knew that.
At present, yes.

In the past, there were several main lines and interregional trains.

Now they are less and less, despite an interesting news: line between Clemont Ferrand and Ussel will be reopened, so Lyon-Bourdeaux trains can run again.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:44 PM   #1350
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Old July 7th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #1351
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French rail doesn't seem that impressive to me outside of HSR corridors from Paris.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 09:41 PM   #1352
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The biggest problem with French rail system is it's too centered on Paris, but I'm guessing everybody knew that.
The whole country is centred on Paris. The shape of the railway network only reflects this status.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 09:44 PM   #1353
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Indeed, that's what I was about to write.
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So is the UK yet it has better train connections between the provincial cities than in France.
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So is the UK yet it has better train connections between the provincial cities than in France.
Britain is not a centralised as France is. It is constituted of two kingdoms, six counties of a third one and a principality after all.. Furthermore stretches the UK over several awkwardly shaped islands. The island of Great Britain has so many peninsulas that traffic is naturally funnelled though its midlands. That helps to sustain frequent services. But most importantly for rail transport Britain is more densely populated. This is especially true in large parts of England as well as the central belt of Scotland where most rail services run through. And with London being fairly acentricly located there are many service avoiding the capital altogether.
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So is the UK yet it has better train connections between the provincial cities than in France.
Well, that's a moot point IMHO... Oh and not to forget that GB is way smaller than Metropolitan France...
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Old July 7th, 2017, 11:39 PM   #1357
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The whole country is centred on Paris. The shape of the railway network only reflects this status.
While Paris' being bigger than other places pre-railway was true, and governmental policy was exacerbating this for centuries (including creating the biases in the rail network deliberately), the Paris-centred rail network (and until the 90s, the road network) helped cement Paris as the centre.
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Britain is not a centralised as France is. It is constituted of two kingdoms, six counties of a third one and a principality after all.
Wales is a country.

Also the six counties aren't in Britain, and are as irrelevant for this as Corsica and DOM-TOMs are for France.
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The island of Great Britain has so many peninsulas that traffic is naturally funnelled though its midlands.
It's not star-shaped. And London is in that 'midlands' area where traffic is naturally funnelled - you can't get from Kent to the rest of the country easily without going through London.
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And with London being fairly acentricly located there are many service avoiding the capital altogether.
But Paris is similarly asymetrical, and unlike London, it's totally bypassable - as seen by Route des Estuaires on the sea side (where with London you end up with no fixed crossing more than 30km downstream of Tower Bridge - still easily in the urban area).

Lille to Lorraine would be similar to the Bristol to Birmingham rail corridor in the UK, but you have trains running down TGV-Nord, circling Paris (on something London doesn't and will not ever have) and heading out on TGV-Est.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 11:46 PM   #1358
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M. Macron sounds like a real Parisian already. Outside the Île-de-France, there is no such thing as an everyday train, at least not for the vast majority of the people. There are once-in-a-while trains at best. And these trains are more likely to be TGVs than regional ones. So if he decides to invest in 'everyday train' rather than LGVs then it means nothing less than a shift from the province to the capital. This change in policy won't be too popular in places like Nice or Toulouse, which would have been next to be connected to the LGV network, I reckon.
Was the LGV network not degrading provincial cities to Paris exurbs?

Also 80% of France rail passengers are for regular trains. This network have to be improved and modernised. LGV is sucking all the money out of the SNCF. France needs commuter rail and intercity rail between provincial towns, not only to Paris.
LGV is faster, but it is also more expensive with higher ticket prices. France has a very descent LGV network now, time to strengthen the structure with improving the rest of the network.
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Old July 8th, 2017, 12:23 AM   #1359
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Also 80% of France rail passengers are for regular trains. This network have to be improved and modernised. LGV is sucking all the money out of the SNCF. France needs commuter rail and intercity rail between provincial towns, not only to Paris.
LGV is faster, but it is also more expensive with higher ticket prices. France has a very descent LGV network now, time to strengthen the structure with improving the rest of the network.
Most of those passengers are parisians commuters.

The reality is that most of France has a too low density to be suitable for rail network like in England or Netherlands.
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Old July 8th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #1360
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Was the LGV network not degrading provincial cities to Paris exurbs?

Also 80% of France rail passengers are for regular trains. This network have to be improved and modernised. LGV is sucking all the money out of the SNCF. France needs commuter rail and intercity rail between provincial towns, not only to Paris.
LGV is faster, but it is also more expensive with higher ticket prices. France has a very descent LGV network now, time to strengthen the structure with improving the rest of the network.
The issue is that there are a lot of regional lines where NOW there are a lot of service cancellations and bus replacements because of bad track. I dont understand why SNCF or RFF dont asked to regions to put money before the collapse of services, which is happening now, with long lines without services and closed sections.

And yes, SNCF really dont care about those lines, so competition must start as soon as possible for the operation of services in the regions.
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