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Old May 15th, 2017, 07:51 PM   #3001
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Old May 15th, 2017, 10:39 PM   #3002
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Old May 16th, 2017, 03:03 AM   #3003
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181 freemont is a MASTERPIECE, but its being overshadowed by the height of this tower.



Wow I didnt even realize that, these are both blatantly influenced by Hong Kong.
Well, the Salesforce Tower was designed by the same architecture company that designed the IFC building in HK. The company that designed Fremont 181 probably liked what they saw from the Bank of China Tower and took a couple of design ideas from it.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 02:41 AM   #3004
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Yea the salesforce tower design is played out at this pont. First used in Hong Kong then the same architect took the same design and chopped the top off and planted it in Jersey City, then they took the same design again and put it in San Fran. Hopefully this is the last one. That last picture is great this thing dominates the San Francisco skyline.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #3005
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Yea the salesforce tower design is played out at this pont. First used in Hong Kong then the same architect took the same design and chopped the top off and planted it in Jersey City, then they took the same design again and put it in San Fran. Hopefully this is the last one. That last picture is great this thing dominates the San Francisco skyline.
The tower in Jersey City is actually not a Pelli building. It just looks similar to the IFC building in Hong Kong. There is one in Chile too that looks similar to this design.

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Old May 17th, 2017, 09:48 PM   #3006
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Somehow, Costanera Center looks rather similar to Lotte World Tower to me.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 10:49 PM   #3007
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Yea the salesforce tower design is played out at this pont. First used in Hong Kong then the same architect took the same design and chopped the top off and planted it in Jersey City, then they took the same design again and put it in San Fran. Hopefully this is the last one.
And that's not to mention Bank of America Center in Charlotte, which is sort of a hybrid between Salesforce/IFC and Pelli's 777 Tower.


(IMO, BofA is one of the few great PoMo towers of the 80s-00s, along with Wells Fargo Center in Minneapolis, 383 Madison in NYC, and US Bank Tower in LA)

Pelli has certainly gotten a lot of mileage -- more than 25 years! -- out of this same basic shape but I agree, after this tower, I hope he moves on.

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Old May 17th, 2017, 10:58 PM   #3008
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Somehow, Costanera Center looks rather similar to Lotte World Tower to me.
Except that 1 is over 1800 feet tall and the other is about 900 feet tall.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 12:19 AM   #3009
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I think it's neither. It's highly reminiscent of the Art Deco classics, particularly the ESB.

It's a lovely building, for sure, but only in the softer angles of its upper stories does it resemble those mentioned. The elegant and subtle stepping is ESB all the way.

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And that's not to mention Bank of America Center in Charlotte, which is sort of a hybrid between Salesforce/IFC and Pelli's 777 Tower.


(IMO, BofA is one of the few great PoMo towers of the 80s-00s, along with Wells Fargo Center in Minneapolis, 383 Madison in NYC, and US Bank Tower in LA)

Pelli has certainly gotten a lot of mileage -- more than 25 years! -- out of this same basic shape but I agree, after this tower, I hope he moves on.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #3010
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Old May 18th, 2017, 04:10 PM   #3011
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I think it's neither. It's highly reminiscent of the Art Deco classics, particularly the ESB.
It's got 4 of the most essential Art Deco styling element types, indeed. But it is in fact representing a merely postmodern architectural trend.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #3012
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Im more of a fan of the building to the right than Salesforce. As has already been pointed out, Salesforce is kinda generic. But the one to the right is far out.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #3013
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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #3014
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Im more of a fan of the building to the right than Salesforce. As has already been pointed out, Salesforce is kinda generic. But the one to the right is far out.
Although not too different from the crane attached to it... And to the other towers u/c.
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How can you call my love a "hate"? It is a passion for a good and valid architecture, and when a "4" of an architectural edifice is compared to a "9" - I just can't say they're equal.
a 4, eh?

Interesting opinion. Also, who's asking you to say that they're equal?
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You're right: nobody can say they're equal. 4 and 9 are way too far apart.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 12:01 PM   #3017
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To me, it does not matter much if the architectural design is either poor or great; what matters more, in my opinion, is its function. You can have a grand structure, but inside, you have way too much empty spaces that are confined in way too many rooms, tucked away in a grand facade. In contrast, you can have a humble building, but go inside, and you see a wealth of activities that can make your eye feasting on the features... Salesforce Tower, to me, is just that. Not only will it house Salesforce HQ, but it will also host to a large transit center and "eatery row" (hopefully) that will lure so many people to go through the structure, get fed, and shop a little before boarding their buses and trains to their destinations.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 01:26 AM   #3019
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To me, it does not matter much if the architectural design is either poor or great; what matters more, in my opinion, is its function. You can have a grand structure, but inside, you have way too much empty spaces that are confined in way too many rooms, tucked away in a grand facade. In contrast, you can have a humble building, but go inside, and you see a wealth of activities that can make your eye feasting on the features... Salesforce Tower, to me, is just that. Not only will it house Salesforce HQ, but it will also host to a large transit center and "eatery row" (hopefully) that will lure so many people to go through the structure, get fed, and shop a little before boarding their buses and trains to their destinations.
Do you teach urban planning or something? Anyway, what is your opinion on them not having a observation deck for this building? I still contend it is a big mistake.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 01:42 AM   #3020
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If I'm not mistaken, this building has the highest roof in the whole hemisphere outside of New York and Chicago.

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