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Old June 16th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #3101
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^ SF definitely ranks number 3 on my list because of this tower. Can't wait until the Oceanwide center joins the skyline which will make it even better!
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Old June 17th, 2017, 01:16 AM   #3102
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The first crane seems to be fully disassembled.

There seems to be a small crane on top of the tower that I have not seen before. Can someone confirm?
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Old June 17th, 2017, 02:07 AM   #3103
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Gorgeous photo. I know SF's skyline can't compare to NYC's, but how do you like it overall?
We can't compare SF to NYC's full skyline but Downtown SF could give Lower Manhattan a run for its money.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 03:20 AM   #3104
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We can't compare SF to NYC's full skyline but Downtown SF could give Lower Manhattan a run for its money.
i dont think so , as beautiful as it is
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Old June 17th, 2017, 03:42 AM   #3105
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Gorgeous photo. I know SF's skyline can't compare to NYC's, but how do you like it overall?
I love SF. Easily the No. 3 skyline in the nation and a gorgeous natural setting. Not to mention the great community.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 05:09 AM   #3106
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i dont think so , as beautiful as it is
Comparing Lower Manhattan's to Downtown SF's skyline, I'll take SF's.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 05:11 AM   #3107
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I love SF. Easily the No. 3 skyline in the nation and a gorgeous natural setting. Not to mention the great community.
I keep going back and forth between whether SF or Miami has the 3rd best skyline in America. With Salesforce Tower going up, I'll have to give the nod to SF for now.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 04:11 PM   #3108
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Old June 17th, 2017, 06:48 PM   #3109
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I love SF. Easily the No. 3 skyline in the nation and a gorgeous natural setting. Not to mention the great community.
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I keep going back and forth between whether SF or Miami has the 3rd best skyline in America. With Salesforce Tower going up, I'll have to give the nod to SF for now.
The Salesforce tower is absolutely beautiful. Where San Francisco falls short of Miami is the shear number of towers classified as a skyscraper. As a matter of fact, it's not even close. That said, to each his own and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 10:27 PM   #3110
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The Salesforce tower is absolutely beautiful. Where San Francisco falls short of Miami is the shear number of towers classified as a skyscraper. As a matter of fact, it's not even close. That said, to each his own and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Not even close?

According to the definition used on this website, Miami has 6 skyscrapers, while SF has 5 skyscrapers. How is that not close?

And according to the standards of emporis.com, Miami has 112 skyscrapers built and under construction, while SF has 89 of them. That's pretty close too.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #3111
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Not even close?

According to the definition used on this website, Miami has 6 skyscrapers, while SF has 5 skyscrapers. How is that not close?

And according to the standards of emporis.com, Miami has 112 skyscrapers built and under construction, while SF has 89 of them. That's pretty close too.
There are over 200 skyscrapers in Miami. And if you add Miami Beach it swells to over 250 skyscrapers. As far as San Fran is concerned, that city has a hell of a lot more skyscrapers than 5. I think you need some skyscraper 101. While Emporis is not always the most reliable source of info, they are pretty damn good about city skyline rankings and Miami is consistently in third place. If that is not good enough, check out CTBUH.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 04:52 AM   #3112
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There are over 200 skyscrapers in Miami. And if you add Miami Beach it swells to over 250 skyscrapers. As far as San Fran is concerned, that city has a hell of a lot more skyscrapers than 5. I think you need some skyscraper 101. While Emporis is not always the most reliable source of info, they are pretty damn good about city skyline rankings and Miami is consistently in third place. If that is not good enough, check out CTBUH.
Those numbers are off by quite a bit. Using the widely-accepted minimum of 150m to classify as a skyscraper, according to the CTBUH Skyscraper Center database, Miami has 37 whereas SF has 21. If Miami had 200 skyscrapers, it'd have more than any city other than New York (254) and Hong Kong (316).
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Those numbers are off by quite a bit. Using the widely-accepted minimum of 150m to classify as a skyscraper, according to the CTBUH Skyscraper Center database, Miami has 37 whereas SF has 21. If Miami had 200 skyscrapers, it'd have more than any city other than New York (254) and Hong Kong (316).
Here is where we both are off. I simply looked up on emporis under building types and Miami does indeed have that high of a number. I did not look far enough to see that the over 200 number includes "never built". This time I went through page by page and counted proposed and completed buildings. Miami has a total of 160, which 18 of those are in Miami Beach and must count too. San Fran has a total of 92 proposed and completed. Both cities have more than 5 and 6 which is off more than you and I by a mile. By those numbers, my point of not even close still stands.

Btw, 450' or 150m is not the "widely accepted" minimum height. Many architects and developers use 300' as a benchmark for a skyscraper. The term skyscraper can vary city by city too. City govt and media in lets say K.C., MO may count buildings as tall, when the same may not apply to a city such as Chicago. Buildings in Memphis, TN may be called tall, while those building if they were located in NYC, they would probably not be considered as tall. As to CTBUH, they do not have a standard on measuring skyscrapers. Their standards only apply to supertalls and megatalls.

https://www.emporis.com/city/101040/...pe/skyscrapers

https://www.emporis.com/city/101321/...pe/skyscrapers
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Old June 18th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #3114
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^ Don't use Skyscrapercity's definition of a skyscraper to calculate skyscrapers. Use CTBUH's definition, the official definition which clearly states that any building over 500' tall is a skyscraper. I do however believe that Miami has more skyscrapers (using the 500' defintion) than San Francisco, however Miami doesn't have that many extremely tall buildings just a lot of 500-600 footers. I personally favor Miami's skyline over San Francisco. I rate SF the 4th best skyline and Miami th third, I think you guys are forgetting about Chicago!
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Old June 18th, 2017, 06:07 AM   #3115
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No. I do not think we are forgetting about Chicago. Chicago is firmly at #2. What is debatable is the #3 and #4 positions. I of course will put SF at #3 and Miami at #4. Just like everything else in this forum, it's all personal preference. Since I am not King of the World or God of all Skyscrapers, I will accept your right to your dumb opinion cuz of course we all live in a free democratic society and #5 is a toss up between L.A. and Philly. There, I have spoken... Ha!
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Old June 18th, 2017, 06:25 AM   #3116
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^ Don't use Skyscrapercity's definition of a skyscraper to calculate skyscrapers. Use CTBUH's definition, the official definition which clearly states that any building over 500' tall is a skyscraper. I do however believe that Miami has more skyscrapers (using the 500' defintion) than San Francisco, however Miami doesn't have that many extremely tall buildings just a lot of 500-600 footers. I personally favor Miami's skyline over San Francisco. I rate SF the 4th best skyline and Miami th third, I think you guys are forgetting about Chicago!
Again, CTBUH only has a minimum number when counting supertalls and megatalls. There is no minimum for tall with anything under 984' or 300m. The reason why they do not have a minimum for tall buildings is because it is too subjective. You can not point to this organization using 500' as a minimum anywhere on this page:

http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/H...S/Default.aspx
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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:02 AM   #3117
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I keep going back and forth between whether SF or Miami has the 3rd best skyline in America. With Salesforce Tower going up, I'll have to give the nod to SF for now.
I'm the same. Miami has an impressive array of skyscrapers and supertalls lined up, but very few are in any phase of construction yet. SF will remain my No 3 for a few years until Miami's multiple tall projects are visible on the skyline. Miami has more supertalls proposed than those which are built AND U/C in Chicago. That's nuts.

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Old June 18th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #3118
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Here is where we both are off. I simply looked up on emporis under building types and Miami does indeed have that high of a number. I did not look far enough to see that the over 200 number includes "never built". This time I went through page by page and counted proposed and completed buildings. Miami has a total of 160, which 18 of those are in Miami Beach and must count too. San Fran has a total of 92 proposed and completed. Both cities have more than 5 and 6 which is off more than you and I by a mile. By those numbers, my point of not even close still stands.

Btw, 450' or 150m is not the "widely accepted" minimum height. Many architects and developers use 300' as a benchmark for a skyscraper. The term skyscraper can vary city by city too. City govt and media in lets say K.C., MO may count buildings as tall, when the same may not apply to a city such as Chicago. Buildings in Memphis, TN may be called tall, while those building if they were located in NYC, they would probably not be considered as tall. As to CTBUH, they do not have a standard on measuring skyscrapers. Their standards only apply to supertalls and megatalls.

https://www.emporis.com/city/101040/...pe/skyscrapers

https://www.emporis.com/city/101321/...pe/skyscrapers
I'm looking at your numbers and the Emporis database and what it all comes down to is what you consider to be the minimum height to be skyscraper.

To make a fair comparison, I'm only considering completed and under construction buildings, which are the only ones that matter in the near future. A lot of proposed buildings never make it past the proposal stage. Here's the data:

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         SF  Miami  Miami Beach

200m+     5      7   0
150m+    25     56   2
100m+    91    116  17
All these numbers come from the excellent comparison tool on the CTBUH Skyscraper Center page: http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/comp...t=Show+Results

Bottom line is that, numerically, Miami wins out in every category, but the quality of a skyline is also defined by other more subjective factors. Many people may prefer the SF skyline because all the tall buildings are congregated in one downtown core, whereas Miami's are more spread out.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 06:02 PM   #3119
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Just watched "Big Hero 6" and that SalesForce Tower reminds me of the tallest building in that fictional city of San Fransokyo... Same design even if the actual tower is much lower!
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Totally agree with SSMEX. Sometimes quantity does not equal a quality skyline. The aesthetic of the skyline is ruined with way too many buildings that seem to continue into the horizon. I have seen pictures of SOME cities in South America and Asia where the it's not really a "skyline". It is just a hodgepodge of apartment/condo towers/some office towers and ego towers that go on, it seems, forever.
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