daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > Supertalls

Supertalls Discussions of projects under construction between 300-599m/1,000-1,999ft tall.
» Proposed Supertalls



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old September 22nd, 2007, 01:15 AM   #441
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

I've continued writing letters. If you want to join me in a last push for SOM, here are four of the TJPA's emails:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old September 22nd, 2007, 01:16 AM   #442
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

09-19-2007, 08:04 PM
slock
Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 252


"I've been watching the animations for the Pelli and SOM proposals, and it finally dawned on me why I like SOM so much better. It's because it seems more urban and sleek. It is not just attractive, but feels more a part of the City, more integrated. The Pelli proposal somehow feels tacky and suburban. The curves and funicular seem more like a theme park than a sophisticated transportation hub.

The SOM proposal also seems to be more designed for people with the stacking of the bus slots and the Great Hall. I've always thought the four block long terminal was excessive and a waste of valuable space. The SOM design takes that and devotes it to pedestrains. I think it's better to try and make the double stacking work than to have four blocks of bus stops. The best cities are the ones designed for people, the worst for cars. I think that is being replicated here.

Finally, the big unmentioned issue about the Pelli park on the roof that no one in the press is talking about is that it will be completely surrounded by highrises. On immediate adjacent parcles there will be buildings, almost all of them above 200' feet and some 850' and 900' - and on the South side, with significant shadow impacts. That creates a dark and windy park and also could potentially be impacted by the law mandating sunshine on city parks."
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 01:26 AM   #443
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

if Pelli's gets built what is the likely hood of it getting destroyed by some kind of dissaster?
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 01:30 AM   #444
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

Another SOM Project for SF:





http://www.electrictime.com/installations.asp?iid=17
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 02:37 AM   #445
gothicform
Bossman
 
gothicform's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: s****horpe
Posts: 31,425
Likes (Received): 12361

well here's some more pics of it.





gothicform no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:08 AM   #446
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

SOM has a real urban feel to it, and Pelli's like the forumer I quoted looks like it came out of a suburban theme park.
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:16 AM   #447
Locke
Guac Bowl Merchant
 
Locke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,433
Likes (Received): 5443

This reminds me of a scene from Pirates of the Caribbean where Will Turner has a chance to kiss the girl, but doesn't, and Captain Jack walks past and says 'If you were waiting for an opportune moment... that was it'.

Well, that was the moment for SF to get a world class supertall, everybody wave as it passes by:P
Locke no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:18 AM   #448
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

they can all go **** themselves!
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:59 AM   #449
Phobos
Registered User
 
Phobos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Porto
Posts: 9,408

..
__________________
www.deforma.wordpress.com

Last edited by wjfox; September 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 AM.
Phobos no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:52 AM   #450
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...ition_des.html
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:56 AM   #451
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

http://www.rockgroupdevelopment.com/.../transbay.html
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:57 AM   #452
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

One of three teams in the competition, RGDC/SOM is a partnership of a subsidiary of The Rockefeller Group, renowned as the developer of Rockefeller Center in Manhattan, and SOM, the internationally acclaimed architectural firm, most recently the designers of the international terminal at The San Francisco International Airport. Additional project information and images are available from SOM at www.som.com/transbay
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:58 AM   #453
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

there site is down
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 05:09 AM   #454
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

Berlin:


Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 05:12 AM   #455
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 06:01 AM   #456
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

Jury picks Hines for Transbay tower
San Francisco Business Times - September 10, 2007by J.K. Dineen
Print this Article Email this Article Reprints RSS Feeds Most Viewed Most Emailed
Developer Hines and architects Pelli Clarke Pelli have won the Transbay competition and, pending another approval from the Transbay Joint Powers Authority, will enter into exclusive negotiations to build a 1,300-foot tower and state-of-the-art train and bus station at Mission and First streets.

The winning Transbay terminal proposal by developer Hines and architect Pelli Clarke Pelli offered $350 million for the tower property, more than twice what the other two teams were willing to pay, according to the nine-person jury appointed by the Transbay Joint Powers Authority.


The astounding offer blew away the team ranked second in the competition, Richard Rogers Partnership and Forest City Enterprises, which offered $145 million for the tower land. The third-place team, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and Rockefeller Group Development Corp., made a purchase price offer of $118 million.

"The exceptional financial offer put forth by the recommended team will increase the funds available to the Transbay Transit Center Program to $1.85 billion," said Maria Ayerdi, executive director of the TJPA. "Since our inception, we have been successful at fully funding the first phase of our program, and this offer builds upon that success to deliver necessary funding to help complete the rail extension," said Ayerdi.

The jury called all the proposals "exceptional" but ruled unanimously that the Pelli/Hines proposal "best met the TJPA's operational, functional, and aesthetic requirements. The Hines project calls for an 82-story oblisk-shaped tower with a 5.5-acre park atop the terminal itself.

The unanimous recommendation culminates an eight-month international design and development competition that was launched to select an outstanding and functional design that is economically viable and provides a sound economic return to the TJPA.

The jury report is at the beginning of a long negotiation process with the city. If the TJPA board goes along with the recommendation, the project would still need approvals from the city Planning Commision and Board of Supervisors. "The prize you get for winning this competition is entry into the San Francisco entitlement process," said Paul Paradis, Hines executive vice president.

The jury based its evaluation and ranking on how well each team's proposal met the evaluation criteria as listed in the competition manual. Scores, which were given by individual jurors and summed to derive each team's overall ranking, analyzed such criteria as design excellence, functionality and financial feasibility.

The new Transbay Transit Center at First and Mission streets would centralize the region's transportation network by accommodating eight transportation systems under one roof, including AC Transit, Caltrain, Muni, Golden Gate Transit, SamTrans, Greyhound, BART and a future California High-Speed Rail line. The area surrounding the Transit Center will be redeveloped to include housing, retail and an adjacent tower poised to redefine the city's skyline.

At a recent Chamber of Commerce presentation of the three plans, Paradis called the proposal "a real project.

"If we were to be selected, we could go ahead and build this," he said.
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 07:50 AM   #457
Skyman
LA Resident
 
Skyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA UNITED STATES
Posts: 5,338
Likes (Received): 1377

The SOM design was not new and daring. They're building it in China. Behold the Jinling Hotel:



Pelli's tower render:

image hosted on flickr


The Pelli terminal is actually quite stunning, at least from the outside. It's very futuristic and sci fi feeling, it reminds me of the Martian space colony in Journeyman

image hosted on flickr
Skyman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 07:55 AM   #458
Robert Stark
BANNED
 
Robert Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 957
Likes (Received): 5

image hosted on flickr
[/QUOTE]




the side of Pelli's terminal is the only feature I like. the rest has the feel of a suburban shopping mall.
Robert Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 11:30 AM   #459
Skyman
LA Resident
 
Skyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA UNITED STATES
Posts: 5,338
Likes (Received): 1377

Anyway it's beautiful
Skyman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2007, 05:56 PM   #460
multifamilyinvestor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Research Triangle, NC / Tampa Bay, FL
Posts: 422
Likes (Received): 2

Although I liked the SOM design better - I refuse to shed a tear over the Pelli design being chosen. This is still a beautiful building - 1300 ft., tallest on the West Coast, Tallest in CA.

San Francisco kicks ass.
multifamilyinvestor no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
salesforce tower, salesforce.com, san francisco, supertall, transbay, transbay tower

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu