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Old September 24th, 2007, 12:12 AM   #481
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NO! I would MUCH rather have pelli's than Roger's!! OH NO!
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Old September 24th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #482
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Is that a joke? I havn't seen the Rogers Termianl plan.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #483
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I'm amazed that SOM wasn't even in 2nd place. The Rogers building looks awful. It just goes to show it all come down to money. If they pay enough, they can plop a giant turd there.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 09:42 PM   #484
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and its being dubed as the Grand Central of the West.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 10:26 PM   #485
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OH WOW! So you are getting that orange skeleton. Halloween celebration in San Francisco will be awesome!
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Old September 24th, 2007, 10:58 PM   #486
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An interesting presentation here about the temporary terminal, including a timeline for the entire project. It has construction of the tower beginning in April 2010.

http://www.transbaycenter.org/TransB...Mtg9-17-07.pdf

TJPA Created Apr-01
EIR Phase Sep-02 Feb-05
PMPC/DTX Preliminary Engineering Consultants NTP Feb-05
Program Planning and Phasing Strategy Development Dec-04 May-06
Approval of Recommended Implementation Strategy Jun-06
Select A/E, Design and Construct Temporary Terminal Jun-06 Jul-09
Bus Operations commence in Temporary Terminal Jul-09
Demolish Transbay Terminal Aug-09 Mar-10
Selection of Developer and TC Building A/E Jun-06 Oct-07
Negotiations with Developer and TC Building A/E Oct-07 Jan-08
Award A/E and Developer Contracts Jan-08
TC Building Design, Bid & Award Construction Feb-08 Sep-11
TC Building Construction, Testing & Commissioning Apr-10 Jan-14
Bus Operations commence in Transit Center Building Jan-14
Developer Environmental Clearance & Entitlement Jan-08 Oct-08
Transit Tower Design Sep-08 Aug-10
Transit Tower Construction Apr-10 Mar-14
DTX Preliminary Engineering - Part 1 Feb-05 Dec-07
Funding Plan (FP) for DTX Oct-07 Nov-10
DTX Preliminary Engineering - Part 2 May-10 Apr-11
DTX Final Design May-11 Jun-13
DTX Construction & Testing & Commissioning May-12 Apr-18
Rail Operations commence in Rail Station Apr-18
Caltrain Yard Improvements & Storage Construction May-18 Aug-21
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Old September 24th, 2007, 10:59 PM   #487
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The approval of the Pelli design concerns me regarding surrounding highrise development for 3 reasons.

1. The planning department is in the middle of studying height increases on surrounding parcels that will help fund the terminal. However, now they are planning on a giant park in the midst of some of the tallest towers proposed. I wonder if shadow considerations will force them to lower the 850' TJPA site, or the 900' Heller Manus, to prevent the park from being cast in shadows much of the day and year.

2. With the SOM proposal at 1375', the 1200' height of Pianos towers still allowed the Transbay tower to be the tallest structure in downtown. With Pelli only at 1200' it might force the reduction of other proposed heights to retain Transbay as the tallest of the bunch.

3. With Pelli proposing all office, versus SOM's mixed use, it sucks a lot of the wind out of the sails of the other proposed office buildings. With 1.8 million square feet proposed in Pelli's tower (almost two BofA Buildings) the probability of other sites being developed as office is very low. I'm not sure the market can even absorb Pelli in less than 5 years.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 11:01 PM   #488
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The TJPA Howard Street and 181 Fremont Street towers are among 7 or more proposed tower sites that might cast shadows on the proposed rooftop terminal park. If TJPA Howard and 181 Fremont are not to cast any shadows on the park, they might need to be not any much taller than the park elevation itself. These sites are almost adjacent to the south of the park. Since the potential new park is not protected by the Planning Code, other potential tower sites are at serious risk of being drastically reduced, and this is a new park introduced as an extra bonus to the plan, I suspect this park could be exempt from the same shadow concerns.
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Does anyone know the status of the Piano development?
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Old September 25th, 2007, 12:22 AM   #490
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Does anyone know the status of the Piano development?

what's the Piano development plan?
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Old September 25th, 2007, 02:06 AM   #491
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what's the Piano development plan?
The 1200' towers you mentioned.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 10:26 PM   #492
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Old September 25th, 2007, 10:36 PM   #493
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Robert, if a mod deletes your previous post, then please don't re-post it.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 11:18 PM   #494
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The approval of the Pelli design concerns me regarding surrounding highrise development for 3 reasons.

1. The planning department is in the middle of studying height increases on surrounding parcels that will help fund the terminal. However, now they are planning on a giant park in the midst of some of the tallest towers proposed. I wonder if shadow considerations will force them to lower the 850' TJPA site, or the 900' Heller Manus, to prevent the park from being cast in shadows much of the day and year.

2. With the SOM proposal at 1375', the 1200' height of Pianos towers still allowed the Transbay tower to be the tallest structure in downtown. With Pelli only at 1200' it might force the reduction of other proposed heights to retain Transbay as the tallest of the bunch.

3. With Pelli proposing all office, versus SOM's mixed use, it sucks a lot of the wind out of the sails of the other proposed office buildings. With 1.8 million square feet proposed in Pelli's tower (almost two BofA Buildings) the probability of other sites being developed as office is very low. I'm not sure the market can even absorb Pelli in less than 5 years.


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The approval of the Pelli design concerns me regarding surrounding highrise development for 3 reasons.

1. The planning department is in the middle of studying height increases on surrounding parcels that will help fund the terminal. However, now they are planning on a giant park in the midst of some of the tallest towers proposed. I wonder if shadow considerations will force them to lower the 850' TJPA site, or the 900' Heller Manus, to prevent the park from being cast in shadows much of the day and year.

2. With the SOM proposal at 1375', the 1200' height of Pianos towers still allowed the Transbay tower to be the tallest structure in downtown. With Pelli only at 1200' it might force the reduction of other proposed heights to retain Transbay as the tallest of the bunch.

3. With Pelli proposing all office, versus SOM's mixed use, it sucks a lot of the wind out of the sails of the other proposed office buildings. With 1.8 million square feet proposed in Pelli's tower (almost two BofA Buildings) the probability of other sites being developed as office is very low. I'm not sure the market can even absorb Pelli in less than 5 years.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 11:41 PM   #495
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Robert, if a mod deletes your previous post, then please don't re-post it.

I didn't notice it was deleted. I don't see why it was deleted since the only thing offensive is the design.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 04:16 AM   #496
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another poll:


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=527978
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Old September 26th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #497
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I actually like the Rogers Tower reminds me of the Golden Gate Bridge.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #498
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im glad they decided on this one! i read this in the paper the other day. it was the best option in my opinion. and the transbay center looks amazing with this project too!
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Old September 26th, 2007, 10:28 PM   #499
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which one do you think will end up getting built?
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Old September 26th, 2007, 10:52 PM   #500
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This is way better than nothing, its a really beautful building, though its a big shame they didn't pic SOM's design, which was simply stunning, and perfect for SF.

But Pelli's design was so much better than Roger's design, so im more or less satisfied with the winnind design.
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