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Old November 23rd, 2015, 08:05 PM   #1621
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I wish the 181 Fremont Tower was also 1000+ feet tall. Too bad SF will only have one 1000 ft tall building while LA has 2 now. I wonder if they will ever approve a supertall in SF ever again.
Isn't there another supertall proposal?

edit: 50 First St. is only ~900ft, so guess that's a no.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 11:04 PM   #1622
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in the late 60's the transamerica pyramid was supposed to be 1150 feet high but was cut down later to its current height. the people of san fran feared it would mar the skyline.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 07:25 AM   #1623
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Yeah it will probably be a long time before SF sees another supertall proposal, mainly because it would require zoning changes. If any other sites in SF were zoned for 1000'+ there definitely would have been other projects that big, but the salesforce site is the only part of SF zoned that tall.

I'd say SF's tallest built/under construction/proposed towers are still pretty impressive though. Here's everything above 600'/183m:

Salesforce tower - 1070'
Oceanwide Center tower 1 - 905'
Transamerica Pyramid - 853'
181 Fremont - 802'
555 California - 779'
transbay parcel F - 750' (to the roof, will probably be 800'+ total)
345 California Center - 695'
Palace Hotel tower - 669' (unfortunately this one might be dead, not sure)
Millennium tower - 645'
One Rincon Hill tower 1 - 641'
Oceanwide Center tower 2 - 625'
Park Tower - 605'
50 Fremont Center - 600'
101 California - 600'

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Old November 24th, 2015, 08:24 AM   #1624
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here's a nice rendering (for the building in the foreground) that includes Salesforce and most of the other new towers under construction/proposed:



Probably the best "future SF" skyline rendering I've seen so far.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 11:00 AM   #1625
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Old November 30th, 2015, 10:57 AM   #1626
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I wish the 181 Fremont Tower was also 1000+ feet tall. Too bad SF will only have one 1000 ft tall building while LA has 2 now. I wonder if they will ever approve a supertall in SF ever again.
I would argue it will but in order for that to happen the height limit restrictions just increased would have to be increased yet again (and there might need to be some relief from shadow ordinances that say buildings cannot cast shadows on public open space). I think someday they will be but not soon.

For now, the only parcel zoned for 1000+ ft heights was/is the parcel on which the Salesforce Tower is being built.

San Francisco has a number of issues that differ from Los Angeles. For one, it's a denser city with more people living downtown. For another, the weather is colder, windier and foggier. Together, all that means people value the limited amount of downtown open space and they want it sunny, not shaded by tall buildings. That, in turn, has driven the current height limits and, for now, will keep them from going any higher as there simply aren't any more places in the downtown where 1000 ft buildings could go without shadowing a park.

Also, the San Francisco emergency responder community has never been thrilled about very tall buildings in earthquake country and what happened at the World Trade Center certainly did not increase their enthusiasm. Although they've been silent in recent years, at least publicly, in the past the Fire Department in particular expressed its concerns.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 11:03 AM   #1627
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I am fortunate to drive through this area daily, but pictures are extremely difficult because of the traffic police and congestion in the area. I'll try, though.
- And I consider myself fortunate not to own a car kept in the Bay Area (I own 2 kept in AZ) and NEVER to have to drive one in San Francisco.

- If you do take any photos, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post them also in the individual building threads in the San Francisco forum.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #1628
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Old November 30th, 2015, 09:38 PM   #1629
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Great shot of the construction site. Still nothing above ground. Taking way too long.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 09:53 AM   #1630
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^Was that taken from 50 Fremont? I like that building, I'd love to see more good pics of it.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 01:32 PM   #1631
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Old December 1st, 2015, 02:54 PM   #1632
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what is the red painted metalwork inside the core?
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Old December 1st, 2015, 07:10 PM   #1633
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Is this just an optical illusion or is that rebar almost precisely at ground level? I'm going to be in the City this week/weekend (and back again later in December) and will try to snap some more shots. Any good recommendations on getting the best vantage point?
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Old December 1st, 2015, 08:57 PM   #1634
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Not too much room for parking, with that core ...
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Old December 1st, 2015, 09:33 PM   #1635
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I suspect the only people parking there will be top level residents of the building's executive suites. It is, after all, being built adjacent to the central transit terminal of the city and so will have some of the best public transit connections in town.

San Francisco, as a matter of public policy, discourages parking in new buildings with many residential buildings no longer having any parking at all and the rest having less (often much less) than one parking spot per unit. Indeed, it is also now banned to sell deeded parking as part of the price of a condo unit in new buildings--they must be sold separately and valet parking arrangements are preferred to ownership of individual units.

For some time the city's official policy has been "transit first" and I have lived there without a car now for over a decade. In my own condo there are a number of Zipcars parked. And Uber is everywhere as well. A car in San Francisco is just a problem--mine, when I had one, was driven so little the battery was constantly going dead.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 09:39 PM   #1636
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Is this just an optical illusion or is that rebar almost precisely at ground level? I'm going to be in the City this week/weekend (and back again later in December) and will try to snap some more shots. Any good recommendations on getting the best vantage point?
Unless you know someone who works in an adjacent building or lives in the Millenium Tower at Mission & Fremont, there aren't any good vantage points open to the public. Reportedly they recently installed a plexiglass viewing port in the very solid perimeter fence but I doubt you can see much yet. Usually the gates on Fremont St to the site are open and you can see the surface action, but not into the hole.
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So, the building now is rising up from that core, right?
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 03:53 AM   #1638
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There is another tower crane being assembled on the opposite corner from the first crane. Should be complete by the end of the week. It looks just like the other one.

I got a picture today when I was down there, downloaded it to my computer but could not figure out how to download to this site.
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 08:20 PM   #1639
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Unless you know someone who works in an adjacent building or lives in the Millenium Tower at Mission & Fremont, there aren't any good vantage points open to the public.
I'm going to try to visit a friend's office at CBRE, which has a pretty astonishing view from the ~50th floor. I recall seeing the terminal under construction from there last time, although it's possible the view of SF Tower will be obstructed by 50 Fremont.

Either way, I'll try to get some shots of various projects around town if I make it up there.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 05:33 PM   #1640
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