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Old December 27th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #2061
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South Poland is hilly to mountainous in extreme south, but the rest of the country is pretty much flat as a pancake. It's a lot easier geography than in Spain albeit I think population distribution is more uniform with no "empty quarters" like you have.
True. Spain has some serious 'gaps', where population density is among the lowest in Europe. And then we have some (urban) areas that are rather densely populated.

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Yes, but I don't think that's all or even most of the reason. Just check the activity of forum parts dealing with railways in various languages. Compared to Spanish German section is virtually dead and the French one is only marginally better. There are plenty of German rail enthusiasts (railway articles in wikipedia, for example, are often better in German than in English), but they must be congregating somewhere other than SSC.
True again. They must be in other forums.
Actually, inside SSC Spain there are regions that are much better represented than others too, and it´s got nothing to do with population or size.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 05:16 AM   #2062
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Is the trackbed of Zaragoza-Huesca entirely new? I thought it wasn't, so it can't be considered a new HSL, but a regauged line with some improvements.
Between Zaragoza and Tardienta it is, it´s a new line (albeit largely parallel to the old classic line, but it´s not a double-tracking).
Between Tardienta and Huesca, it is the classic line Tardienta-Huesca-Canfranc with third rail (and by the way it had to be reelectrified to 25kV, very shortly after it had been electrified at 3kV... ).
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Old December 27th, 2013, 05:32 AM   #2063
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I agree. I remember being in a viewpoint near your city with people living in an area where train service has been improved but not HSL yet. They didn't know the area and I pointed the name of all the cities in those shires. That one is.. the other one is... and finally I said, and over there in the middle of those ones you have a station that helps you to arrive to Madrid in two hours or so and Seville in less than 5 hours and they opened their eyes as an owl... they were used to drive on roads, not always motorways (slower speed) and bad train service
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An both... in many cases, those few trains in low population density do not shuttle with HSR
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Well... you missed Madrid-Chamartin...
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Could be consider Figueres-Vilafant too indeed?
No, since right now, Figueres-Vilafant has no service in Iberian gauge (there was a Euromed Alicante-Figueres Vilafant -or Valencia-Figueres Vilafant, can´t remember now-, but that was only in summer).
You can take a bus or even walk in 20-30 min from one station to the other, but both stations are not linked by railway.
Girona is, though, which serves as much or even better for rail/bus connections, since the Girona bus station is right next door from the railway station.
And Girona is the head of the province, so it´s better linked to almost everywhere in the Costa Brava and the rest of the Girona province.

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Anyway, the question is why there is no further option in some stations. I remember that in Ireland there was a bus to shuttle two stations with separated networks and services. They could do it if they want.

Furthermore, Should be have to consider all those stations as transfer ones?
Well, there´s work to be done in that respect at Renfe´s.

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Hell, I´ve passed in front of it plenty of times, and only now I realise it exists (I thought it was a posh restaurant)...
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Railway is not absolutely isolated as well as there are some conventional rails that crosses over the HSR so maximum speed must be 200 until Tardienta.
I think that the only point in which Iberian gauge crosses the Huesca HSL at level is Tardienta and Huesca stations (where you do NOT run at 200, nor even 100), and then it must be Cogullada, but there is no way trains could run at 200 or even 160 there.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #2065
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Rumour (not yet official):

Seems like the Madrid Cercanías network will soon be extended from Fuente de la Mora to at least Torrejón de Ardoz via San Fernando.

Some kind of upgrade works seem to have started out at Torrejón de Ardoz station, linked to this rumour.

If confirmed, the thing would involve an important upgrade at San Fernando station too, and also the final opening for passenger service of the never opened O´Donnell railway station, which would probably be rechristened to avoid confusions with the O´Donnell metro station on line 6 (located at O´Donnell street, quite far away from the O´Donnell railway station).
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Old December 30th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #2066
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Santiago-Vigo line.
Vigo-Urzáiz station.


The Minister visiting the works, which are advancing at a crazy speed...

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Europeans can build just as fast as Chinese when really needed.

Is the approximate opening date known already?
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Old December 30th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #2068
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Not yet but... In autumn 2015 we have polls...
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Not yet but... In autumn 2015 we have polls...
For a full "story" Galicia should also be a key battleground province
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Santiago-Vigo line.
Vigo-Urzáiz station.


The Minister visiting the works (part 2), which are advancing at a crazy speed...

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Needless to say, I haven´t posted these pics to show you the minister´s face, but because they´re some of the very few images showing Vigo-Urzáiz station from the inside during the works.

Here´s a track scheme of the finished station:

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So the tracks go straight to the tunnel and there is no connection with the current provisional station and the old alignment?
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So the tracks go straight to the tunnel and there is no connection with the current provisional station and the old alignment?
No. The only connection will be at Arcade station.

The old surface alignment comes from the top right of the map, while the new underground alignment follows "Pontevedra" (bottom right).
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Vigo provisional station is built on the existing harbour freight terminal: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Vigo,+...pagna&t=k&z=18

The old station which is being rebuilt is clearly visible south of it.
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I don´t think Vigo-Guixar is that provisory at all.
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News:

Apparently the Ministry has passed a bill to study the reopening of a railway link to... Torrevieja!!

Torrevieja is one of the only two mainland Spanish cities with population over 100,000 that hasn´t got a railway line (the other being Marbella), since the Albatera-Torrevieja line was closed in 1985.

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I don´t think Vigo-Guixar is that provisory at all.
What would be the point of it's continuous use after the full opening of the new station? Freight perhaps?
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Apparently the Ministry has passed a bill to study the reopening of a railway link to... Torrevieja!!

Torrevieja is one of the only two mainland Spanish cities with population over 100,000 that hasn´t got a railway line (the other being Marbella), since the Albatera-Torrevieja line was closed in 1985.
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What would be the point of it's continuous use after the full opening of the new station? Freight perhaps?
The classic railway services to Ourense via Guillarei and Ribadavia, and to Porto, not to talk about a potential Cercanías (commuter) service.

Regional rail exists too, you know...
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They should have never ever closed the Torrevieja line, but this is some of the best news in a long time.

This reopening alone means thousands of passengers.

But... let´s be prudent, that´s only a study.
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