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Old March 19th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #2381
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Not sure what is the limit, >10,000 inhabitants perhaps? I go for work often to a place which has about 4,000 people living there (4 tracks, ca 3 trains per hour per direction) and there are no ticket windows there anymore.
It may depend on the number of passengers too. One town A, bigger than another town B, may have less passengers than B for a number of reasons.
In the Tarragona district, Vilaseca (pop 22,000), which is almost twice as big as Cunit in population, doesn´t even have a ticket machine, so you have to buy the tickets to the controller, while Cunit (pop 12,000) has ticket machine and at certain hours an open ticket office too (and more trains calling at the station too, but the A area isn´t more or less populated than the B area).

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Lorca has 92.718 inhabitants (according to their website. Sizeable enough?
(OK, it's not the only train station there, but still...)
The other train station, Lorca-San Diego, is nowadays smaller, and if I remember correctly, it doesn´t currently have an open ticket office.
In the future though, it´s supposed to be expanded heavily and turned into the HS Lorca main station.

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Lorca is part of the commuter train network of Murcia and Alicante. It means around 20 commuter trains per day.
Plus the Talgo for Barcelona, and on weekends the IC for Madrid.
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Old March 19th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #2382
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Lorca has 92.718 inhabitants (according to their website. Sizeable enough?
(OK, it's not the only train station there, but still...)
As said, commuter, this is, get up and down and buying tickets. There are smaller stations with more traffic indeed
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Old March 19th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #2383
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León - Monforte de Lemos (- A Coruña) line
Ponferrada station.
Renfe class 252 with TrenHotel Galicia (A Coruña/Vigo - Barcelona) and 10 minutes later, Renfe class 252 with an especial TrenHotel for Christmas, TrenHotel Rosalía de Castro (A Coruña - Ourense - Monforte de Lemos - Barcelona) non-stop between Astorga and Logroño.
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Santiago-Vigo line.

River Ulla viaduct, in Catoira (under construction):

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Old March 20th, 2014, 02:57 PM   #2385
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Which are the largest (by population) cities in Spain NOT connected to (long distance) - railway?

A city that you can only reach by bus
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Old March 20th, 2014, 03:16 PM   #2386
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Marbella (142.018) and Torrevieja (105.205).
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Old March 20th, 2014, 03:30 PM   #2387
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Out of the Spanish islands, the largest cities not connected to railways are (I don't include those which got commuter train station, even if they are not long distance railways):

Marbella (province of Malaga): 142.018
Torrevieja (province of Alicante): 105.205
Roquetas de Mar (province of Almería): 87.868
Mijas (province of Málaga): 85.600
El Ejido (province of Almería): 82.983
Chiclana de la Frontera (province of Cádiz): 82.212
Vélez-Málaga (province of Málaga): 76.911
Alcalá de Guadaira (province of Seville): 73.876
Molina de Segura (province of Murcia): 68.450
Estepona (province of Málaga): 67.986
Sanlúcar de Barrameda (province of Cádiz): 67.301
La Línea de la Concepción (province of Cádiz): 62.697
Motril (province of Granada): 61.194
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Which are the largest (by population) cities in Spain NOT connected to (long distance) - railway?

A city that you can only reach by bus


Apart of it we could reach for a list of not-existing lines. This is, big or medium cities, not far and with a barely existing train service or nothing at all.
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Apart of it we could reach for a list of not-existing lines. This is, big or medium cities, not far and with a barely existing train service or nothing at all.
You mean, cities with railway but with a really bad train service?
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You mean, cities with railway but with a really bad train service?
Yes.

Not big but for instance Zamora-Salamanca

or Aranda de Duero-elsewhere

Burgos-Santander

Murcia-anywhere in Andalucia

and Valencia-Zaragoza (and Valencia-Barcelona even if classic line isn't as bad as other)
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(and Valencia-Barcelona even if classic line isn't as bad as other)
You must be joking.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:11 AM   #2392
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Among the worst served cities would be for sure the two smallest provincial capitals: Teruel and Soria. But the situation in Almería is worst by distance and by lack of investment (and considering the economical activity and population around Almeria, around 250.000 inhabitants in the urban area). In the near future it will become the worst served city by railways.

That's true that Extremadura has not good rail links, but they are being currently improved. In other sense, the line Miranda de Ebro-Bilbao was just completely out-of-date, a really old fashioned design for the traditionally considered third economic and urban area of Spain. Galicia hasn't either good rail links with the central plateau, but they are being improved too as the rail access to Bilbao. So it is ok.

The Northern Corridor along the Bay of Biscay coast is really scenic but not fast for long distance trips. So not that good either.

Algeciras line is not optimal rail link either, even for freight trains. It would be another important line to be improved soon.

In another level of bad service (because they not that primary), would be the Pyrenees lines: Huesca-Canfranc (and the Somport tunnel link to Pau in France), and the Barcelona-Vic-La Tor de Querol line.
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Had there ever be some old rail lines on Spanish islands?
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Had there ever be some old rail lines on Spanish islands?
In Tenerife you have a modern tramway network covering Santa Cruz de Tenerife and San Sebastián de La Laguna. Length: 15,1 km


In Majorca you have two different networks (even if they have some common stations):

SFM network, which includes as well the Palma Metro network (SFM total length: 85 km)


The old and historic Ferrocarril de Sóller (which includes a railway line, 27,3 km; and a tramway line, 4,9 km).
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Among the worst served cities would be for sure the two smallest provincial capitals: Teruel and Soria. But the situation in Almería is worst by distance and by lack of investment (and considering the economical activity and population around Almeria, around 250.000 inhabitants in the urban area). In the near future it will become the worst served city by railways.

That's true that Extremadura has not good rail links, but they are being currently improved. In other sense, the line Miranda de Ebro-Bilbao was just completely out-of-date, a really old fashioned design for the traditionally considered third economic and urban area of Spain. Galicia hasn't either good rail links with the central plateau, but they are being improved too as the rail access to Bilbao. So it is ok.

The Northern Corridor along the Bay of Biscay coast is really scenic but not fast for long distance trips. So not that good either.

Algeciras line is not optimal rail link either, even for freight trains. It would be another important line to be improved soon.
To all this, I´d add the extension of the long-awaited and much-begged Costa del Sol line from Fuengirola to Algeciras. It is badly needed.

Same goes for the Costa Blanca, there´s only a narrow-gauge tram-train line, which is ok for next-door service, but clearly fails to give it a good rail service, even suburban service (it takes forever from Alicante to Benidorm on the tram-train).

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In another level of bad service (because they not that primary), would be the Pyrenees lines: Huesca-Canfranc (and the Somport tunnel link to Pau in France), and the Barcelona-Vic-La Tor de Querol line.
Latour-de-Carol (France). Otherwise readers could be lost in translation.
The line is not that bad (it´s the Pyrenees, that´s mountainous), it´s been recently upgraded a few years ago, and the area on the line where more capacity is needed is in suburban Barcelona (section between Montcada-Bifurcació and La Garriga). But the service to Latour-de-Carol is alright.
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Barcelona-Vic-La Tor de Querol line.
This line is one of the best if not the best served marginal train line in Spain. It is just extremely slow but it has lots of passengers and trains.
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For me the problem of the Barcelona - Latour-de-Carol line is precisely the low speed. It is not that bad... but higher speed would be an important advantage.
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This line is one of the best if not the best served marginal train line in Spain. It is just extremely slow but it has lots of passengers and trains.
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For me the problem of the Barcelona - Latour-de-Carol line is precisely the low speed. It is not that bad... but higher speed would be an important advantage.
It´s not the speed (it´s a mountainous line, don´t expect miracles).
It´s the capacity.

Nowadays, trains from Barcelona to Latour-de-Carol are commuter trains between Barcelona and Vic, so they call at many stations where they probably shouldn´t. But they do it because the line is entirely in single track, so they have to stop for the crossings with other trains, so they accept passengers.

Once they double-track the line between Montcada Bifurcació and La Garriga, they´ll be able to increase speed just by avoiding the crossings.
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