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Old April 27th, 2015, 09:13 PM   #2841
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No. This is an unfinished line.
Nortwestern Spain, and more generally speaking, all of Spain, is so montainous that one stretch alone will do little.
It's almost finished now, isn't it? All that is left is the southern connection from Vigo and some other small bits perhaps. Sure also the line from Ourense to Madrid, but that's not relevant for most of the traffic.
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Old April 28th, 2015, 01:18 AM   #2842
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Well actually it IS. At the moment they have only the services from Corunna to Vigo via Santiago and Pontevedra, which is okay, but not all they can get.
Once they get over the municipal elections so they can by-pass the barks of the mayor of Vigo, they'll have the Alvias to Madrid and Barcelona.
That's like three-four extra trains. Not a lot, for now.

But another thing is getting more trains in.

Ferrol could be an option if it were electrified and had a by-pass at Betanzos (which would be tremendously useful but for some unknown reason Adif keeps pushing away).
Aother option would be Porto (Portugal), or even Lisbon, if they did the upgrade and electrification between Nine and Guillarei.

But right now, there is little else you can attract into the line, because of travel time and/or lack of bi-modal trains, or lack of trains in general.

But by the end of the year the HSL section between the Olmedo junction and Zamora should be ready. Not that one can expect tons of new passengers, but at least that will decrease the travel time and lure more new passengers in.

The big leap will come with the opening of Zamora-Ourense, which is the most difficult, mountainous and expensive section of all this project, and will be a HUGE boost for passenger rail in NW Spain.
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Old April 28th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #2843
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There are not lots of trains left now.
For the published timetable they would need three trains. So they have that. However for a full, hourly service they would only need three trains as well...

So they do appear to have the trains, just not the vision...
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Old April 28th, 2015, 04:25 PM   #2844
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With 1,5 million people living within a 30 min distance from the new railway between A Coruña and Vigo, if compared to many other railways in Europe, there should be enough demand for a 30 minute headway with 15 min during rush hour.
The main problem now is integration with buses and cars, lack of parking for people driving from their house in the outskirts and no fair-integration with the local bus-companies is a big hinder for people looking for convenience.
I don't think the HSR-line from Madrid will make that much of a difference, if done right I suspect 80-90% of the demand for this railway will be of local and regional character. The question is now if that demand will be serviced?

Unfortunately, for many reasons such as centralized planning mentality, lack of strategic integration of transport systems and a historic neglect towards regional train services, I don't see much future in this railway unless RENFE step away and the local governments together with the Galician government create a new holistic transport agency, something similar to EMT in Barcelona, integrating all municipalities along the railway corridor.

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Old April 28th, 2015, 07:49 PM   #2845
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With 1,5 million people living within a 30 min distance from the new railway between A Coruña and Vigo, if compared to many other railways in Europe, there should be enough demand for a 30 minute headway with 15 min during rush hour.
The main problem now is integration with buses and cars, lack of parking for people driving from their house in the outskirts and no fair-integration with the local bus-companies is a big hinder for people looking for convenience.
I don't think the HSR-line from Madrid will make that much of a difference, if done right I suspect 80-90% of the demand for this railway will be of local and regional character. The question is now if that demand will be serviced?
That's exactly what I was saying. What's the realistic maximum number of trains to Madrid per day when the line is finished? Given the population (quite a bit less than Andalusia or Barcelona) about 8 per direction would probably be it. Let's generously add another 4 Alvias to other long distance destinations. That's only 12 trains. On the other hand a normal full schedule between A Coruna and Vigo would be a fast regional train once an hour and all stopping local train once an hour from 6 am till midnight for a total of 36 trains. It's a bit more complex than that, but you get an idea.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 06:35 AM   #2848
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I hope that my question is not completely misplaced, but: is there an overview of the seats on AVE S-100 that are alligned to window? I have gotten a reservation for a window seat on the trip from France to Madrid that should in theory give me the opportunity to take photos of the landscape (due to my interest in botanics, it is some importance for me to take photos that show the change in the vegetation). However, it appears that some window seats are besides plastic walls. Does anyone know if it is possible to find out which window seats are actually window seats (or if Seat 94 in Coach 8 can fit a DSLR to the window?)
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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #2849
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Unfortunately most modern trains are built without caring where seats are placed. On that particular line it should be better to use Paris-Barcelona TGVs, on which seats are mostly aligned with windows (at least on the coach I took, the lower floor of a first class one IIRC).

Then, in most Spanish trains most seats can turned by railway personnel so to be facing the direction of travel. This means that the same seat number may belong to a window seat or to a blind seat depending how the seat is turned.

If I had to choose a seat without knowing how the coach is built, I would chose one seat on the extremities of the coach, as usually the first row of seats is placed parallel to the window, but then the distance between seats and between windows is not the same so from the second row on seats are placed randomly. However, that's not mean that all end seats are near windows as there might be a luggage rack before them, but it's is quite possible.

It is cheaper to built trains as such as the same coach structure can be used for all interiors (first class, second class, ...), however is a mockery (I would even say fraud) to sell blind seats as "near a window".
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 11:22 PM   #2850
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Continued from HS thread about local railways in Andalusia...

Seville to Huelva - in my opinion potentially a very useful regional line between a large and a medium size city. Currently 1 h 30 min by train with 6 intermediate stations. A bit slower than driving, but not so much that taking a train makes no sense. Sounds fine, but why are there only 4 trains per direction at random and mostly useless times? I suspect not many people use those, but it's a chicken and egg problem. I like trains, but I wouldn't use regularly either with timing and frequencies like that...
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Old June 17th, 2015, 04:03 AM   #2852
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Renfe lacks small trains that could serve a lot of minor lines with decent timetables...
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Old June 17th, 2015, 02:24 PM   #2853
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Continued from HS thread about local railways in Andalusia...

Seville to Huelva - in my opinion potentially a very useful regional line between a large and a medium size city. Currently 1 h 30 min by train with 6 intermediate stations. A bit slower than driving, but not so much that taking a train makes no sense. Sounds fine, but why are there only 4 trains per direction at random and mostly useless times? I suspect not many people use those, but it's a chicken and egg problem. I like trains, but I wouldn't use regularly either with timing and frequencies like that...
Ha, ha, haaaa...

You've hit it!!!

One of the problems at Renfe's, is that they've stuck to the historical timetables.

Were there three trains fourty years ago, regardless of the population?
Let's keep them. No matter if the population has doubled (or shrunken).

Why these trains skip these stations for no reason at all, when these stations could attract more new passengers into the line?
Let's not worry about that, we don't know wether these new stations would attract so many passengers.

Do we have to buy new trains to get a better service for the X line?
That's money, so let's better save it by not buying them.

That's the general mentality.

On the other hand, we're no millionaires, and some lines wouldn't be a gold mine of passengers anyway, that's true.

That said, another question... why there never was a station in the town X or the quarter Y?
No one knows. No one asks the question. Why do you ask now?

Talking about the Seville to Huelva line, the line is not very competitive with the motorway.
Because the motorway runs straight, while the railway line has to do a big V bend to avoid the Aljarafe hills just west of Seville to, right after, dive to cross river Guadiamar at Aznalcazar. That doesn't save time, and the solution would be rather expensive, and useful only for Long Distance trains, since regional trains would use the current line, on which there are also commuter trains.

Sometimes, Renfe works and thinks by inertia.
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The line to Huelva might become more useful if they straighten it up and build an extension to connect with the CP line near the Portuguese border, linking both countries and allowing (after electrification east of Faro), Lisboa-Sevilla trains.
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For how many passengers? Faro is not a big city...
There was never any bridge connection over the Guadiana between Andalusia and the Algarve until the 1990s, when a road bridge was built.
There were railways on both sides, on the Portuguese side the line still exists till Vila Real de Santo António, but on the Spanish side the Gibraleón-Ayamonte line was closed and dismantled in 1988... and anyway, they never had any physical connection.
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A class 465 EMU leaves El Cáñamo station, then calls at La Rinconada station, then leaves bound for Seville-Santa Justa and Utrera, on a C1 service (Cercanías Renfe/commuter rail).

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(Delayed) News!!

Class 490 trains (Alaris) were finally withdrawn from service in December 2014.
Their troubles with the bogies have finally paid their toll.
These trains are infamous for having been part of the Platja de Castelldefels tragedy, where 12 people who were imprudently crossing the tracks at said station were run over by an Alaris on an Alicante to Barcelona service, just five years ago.
One of the shortest-lived series in Spain, definitely...
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 03:05 AM   #2858
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It is a pity!
I eally liked those trains...

What is RENFE going to do with these trains?
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Scrap them.
Up till December 2014 they had tried and tried it with 3 Alaris (between Valencia and Alcazar), but the problems with the bogies kept on reappearing, so...
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 12:25 PM   #2860
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How far those bogies are different from other Pendolino-ish family? Are they complete new construction for Iberian gauge or we can expect similar things with other Pendolino trains? What seems to be problem with those bogies (cracks or mechanical failure)?
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