daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old June 24th, 2015, 11:52 AM   #2861
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21249

What is the condition (maintenance) of the tracks between Huelva-Zafra-Merida?
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old July 2nd, 2015, 04:35 AM   #2862
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436

Accident!!

A freight train, on the Cordoba-Almorchon line, has derailed between Peñarroya and Alhondiguilla stations.

The train was carrying coal for the Puente Nuevo power station.
Luckily no one was injured, but the sight was not very pleasant at all.

The Cordoba-Almorchon line is used only by freight trains. It lost passenger traffic decades ago, in the 1970s.
Currently it is open only between Almorchon and Mirabueno stations, since with the Madrid-Seville HSL the section between Cordoba and Mirabueno was dismantled, albeit between Alhondiguilla and Mirabueno there is barely any traffic.
Almorchon station is located on the (Madrid-)Ciudad Real-Puertollano-Mérida-Badajoz(-Elvas, Portugal) line.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jotaerre View Post


__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 04:51 AM   #2863
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard_P View Post
How far those bogies are different from other Pendolino-ish family? Are they complete new construction for Iberian gauge or we can expect similar things with other Pendolino trains? What seems to be problem with those bogies (cracks or mechanical failure)?
Dunno, sorry... there are other Pendolino-type trains running, but they don't seem to be giving any trouble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suburbanist View Post
What is the condition (maintenance) of the tracks between Huelva-Zafra-Merida?
These are two different lines.

On one hand, there is the Huelva-Zafra line, one of the most scenic lines in Spain (I really recommend the trip), although it has a very limited passenger traffic since it crosses unpopulated areas.
It is alright between Zafra and Fregenal de la Sierra, not in very good condition between Fregenal de la Sierra and El Cobujón (parts of it were upgraded but the line is very bendy and mountainous anyway), and in very bad state between Huelva and El Cobujón.

On the other hand, there is the (Seville-)Los Rosales-Zafra-Mérida line, part of the legendary Western Spain main line (called Ruta de la Plata), which used to run from Los Rosales to Astorga via Zafra-Mérida-Cáceres-Plasencia-Béjar-Salamanca-Zamora-Benavente-Astorga, the section between Plasencia and Astorga was closed in 1985, leaving lots of bitterness in Western Spain.
It is in very good state between Zafra and Mérida, allowing speeds up to 160 km/h, but between Zafra and Guadalcanal, although parts of it are ok, there are also parts in very bad state, which is a pity because if the line were upgraded it would allow for good speeds (155/160 km/h too, while now the parts that aren't upgraded are limited to 50/60/70 km/h).
Between Guadalcanal and Villanueva del Río y Minas, the line is very bendy and mountainous (and also rather scenic), and although parts of it were upgraded or are being upgraded, it doesn't allow for good speeds at all.
Between Villanueva del Río y Minas and Los Rosales the line is alright, allowing for decent speeds.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Last edited by 437.001; July 2nd, 2015 at 04:57 AM.
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 11:27 AM   #2864
AlexNL
Registered User
 
AlexNL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,629
Likes (Received): 537

Quote:
Originally Posted by 437.001 View Post
Accident!!

A freight train, on the Cordoba-Almorchon line, has derailed between Peñarroya and Alhondiguilla stations.

The train was carrying coal for the Puente Nuevo power station.
Luckily no one was injured, but the sight was not very pleasant at all.

The Cordoba-Almorchon line is used only by freight trains. It lost passenger traffic decades ago, in the 1970s.
Currently it is open only between Almorchon and Mirabueno stations, since with the Madrid-Seville HSL the section between Cordoba and Mirabueno was dismantled, albeit between Alhondiguilla and Mirabueno there is barely any traffic.
Almorchon station is located on the (Madrid-)Ciudad Real-Puertollano-Mérida-Badajoz(-Elvas, Portugal) line.
Whoa, what happened over there? :o
__________________
We are shaping the future
AlexNL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 02:49 PM   #2865
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,810

Teruel major days are on 10-13rd July.

Renfe will set an additional train in 11th evening and returning on sunday 12th morning.

Therefore... five trains one day Zaragoza-Teruel (and five return on Sunday).

I remember this line with only two daily trains plus one more on weekends.... and never an additional trains in special days. Just double cars or so.

There are several fares and they will apply the cheapest.

It is a pity due to Zaragoza-Teruel has a quite good potential number of passengers and everyone takes the bus because it is faster, has no delays, cheaper and more frequencies.

Let's hope it will run OK
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 07:21 PM   #2866
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexNL View Post
Whoa, what happened over there? :o
We still don't know.

Could be the embankment, the bogies, a broken rail, maybe the bi-block sleepers...

The section in which it happened was limited to 50 km/h...
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 07:47 PM   #2867
Nexis
Dark Wolf
 
Nexis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Along the Rails of North Jersey..
Posts: 15,688
Likes (Received): 17044

Are Bi-Block sleepers better then regular sleepers?
__________________
My FLICKR Page < 54,100+ Photos of Urban Renewal , Infrastructure , Food and Nature in the Northeastern US
Visit the Reorganized New York City Section
My Photography Website
Visit the New Jersey Section
Nexis no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 2nd, 2015, 07:52 PM   #2868
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21249

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexis View Post
Are Bi-Block sleepers better then regular sleepers?
Generally speaking, yes.

They have less problems with asymmetrical torsion (for obvious reasons).

The only issue is that their maintenance must be better. There is less margin for errors or deterioration than regular sleepers.
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 3rd, 2015, 10:42 AM   #2869
MarcVD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Brussels
Posts: 1,069
Likes (Received): 192

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexis View Post
Are Bi-Block sleepers better then regular sleepers?
Theoretically, yes. Specially in the kind of weather we have now, it resists
better to sun kinks because it has two faces to resist to lateral motion
rather than one only for a conventional sleeper. But the metal central section
is prone to corrosion, and sometimes leads to track geometry problems
because flexion or torsion happens more easily than with a monobloc sleeper.
MarcVD no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 11th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #2870
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436

SPANISH TOWNS BIGGER THAN 40,000 INHABITANTS LACKING RAILWAY SERVICE:

Not counting Ceuta, Melilla, or towns in minor islands (like Ibiza, etc).

In blue, towns having tramway, tram-train or metro in service, but not full classic railway (Denia and Benidorm appear crossed out as their tram-train isn't exactly one yet, and Mislata and Getxo do too, since their "metro" is just a classic commuter railway line that has metro-like headway).

In green, towns that used to have full classic railway but don't have it anymore (Linares appears crossed out as there is a railway station in the municipality boundaries, but it is located 6 kilometres away from the town itself).

Finally, towns in normal type never had passenger railway of any kind, although some may have had freight railway, like Puerto de Sagunto (which is a town but not a municipality, it's actually a neighbourhood of the Sagunto municipality, and doesn't appear crossed out since there never was passenger railway service there, although there is passenger railway service in Sagunto town, 4 kilometres away from Puerto de Sagunto and in the same municipality).


Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Gran Canaria island), 382,283 inhabitants.
Santa Cruz de Tenerife (Tenerife island), 205,279 inhabitants. Has tramway.
La Laguna (Tenerife island), 153,009 inhabitants. Has tramway.
Marbella (Malaga province), 138,679 inhabitants.
Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona province), 118,738 inhabitants. Has metro.
Telde (Gran Canaria island), 102,076 inhabitants.
Roquetas de Mar (Almeria province), 91,682 inhabitants.
Torrevieja (Alicante province), 91,415 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
El Ejido (Almeria province), 84,144 inhabitants.
Chiclana de la Frontera (Cadiz province), 82,298 inhabitants. Tram-train under construction.
Rivas-Vaciamadrid (Madrid province), 80,483 inhabitants. Has metro.
Arona (Tenerife island), 79,890 inhabitants.
Getxo (Biscay province), 79,544 inhabitants. Has metro.
Vélez-Málaga (Malaga province), 77,808 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1968, tramway line closed in 2012.
Mijas (Malaga province), 77,521 inhabitants.
Alcalá de Guadaíra (Seville province), 74,404 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1975.
Benidorm (Alicante province), 69,010 inhabitants. Has tram-train.
Molina del Segura (Murcia province), 68,775 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1971.
Santa Lucía de Tirajana (Gran Canaria island), 68,544 inhabitants.
Sanlúcar de Barrameda (Cadiz province), 67,385 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Estepona (Malaga province), 66,566 inhabitants.
La Línea de la Concepción (Cadiz province), 63,132 inhabitants.
Motril (Granada province), 60,870 inhabitants.
Linares (Jaen province), 60,290 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Arganda del Rey (Madrid province), 55,307 inhabitants. Has metro.
San Bartolomé de Tirajana (Gran Canaria island), 54,377 inhabitants.
Calvià (Majorca island), 50,363 inhabitants.
Boadilla del Monte (Madrid province), 47,852 inhabitants.. Has tramway.
Adeje (Tenerife island), 46,667 inhabitants.
Esplugues de Llobregat (Barcelona province), 46,133 inhabitants. Has metro and tramway.
Mairena del Aljarafe (Seville province), 43,723 inhabitants. Has metro.
Granadilla de Abona (Tenerife island), 43,455 inhabitants.
Mislata (Valencia province), 43,281 inhabitants. Has metro.
Lucena (Cordoba province), 42,748 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Rincón de la Victoria (Malaga province), 42,688 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1968.
Denia (Alicante province), 41,672 inhabitants. Has tram-train.
La Orotava (Tenerife island), 41,179 inhabitants.
Puerto de Sagunto (Valencia province), 40,842 inhabitants.
Écija (Seville province), 40,634 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1971.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Richard_P, dimlys1994, Bitxofo liked this post

Last edited by 437.001; July 12th, 2015 at 12:17 AM.
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 12th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #2871
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

What stands out from this list is a tramway line closed in Velez-Malaga only very recently. What is the story there?
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 12th, 2015, 12:26 AM   #2872
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436


It's funny you answered about this and not about the (to me at least) high number of towns of this size without railway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunfuns View Post
What stands out from this list is a tramway line closed in Velez-Malaga only very recently. What is the story there?
This. Crazy mayors, basically. There's more to that, but I won't go on since this is off-topic.
Latest news is that trams have come back from Sydney and they are thinking about reopening or not, but for now that's all we know.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Last edited by 437.001; July 12th, 2015 at 12:34 AM.
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 12th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #2873
Robi_damian
Registered User
 
Robi_damian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Timisoara
Posts: 2,756
Likes (Received): 9996

Quote:
Originally Posted by 437.001 View Post
Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Gran Canaria island), 382,283 inhabitants.
Santa Cruz de Tenerife (Tenerife island), 205,279 inhabitants. Has tramway.
La Laguna (Tenerife island), 153,009 inhabitants. Has tramway.
Marbella (Malaga province), 138,679 inhabitants.
Santa Coloma de Gramenet (Barcelona province), 118,738 inhabitants. Has metro.
Telde (Gran Canaria island), 102,076 inhabitants.
Roquetas de Mar (Almeria province), 91,682 inhabitants.
Torrevieja (Alicante province), 91,415 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
El Ejido (Almeria province), 84,144 inhabitants.
Chiclana de la Frontera (Cadiz province), 82,298 inhabitants. Tram-train under construction.
Rivas-Vaciamadrid (Madrid province), 80,483 inhabitants. Has metro.
Arona (Tenerife island), 79,890 inhabitants.
Getxo (Biscay province), 79,544 inhabitants. Has metro.
Vélez-Málaga (Malaga province), 77,808 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1968, tramway line closed in 2012.
Mijas (Malaga province), 77,521 inhabitants.
Alcalá de Guadaíra (Seville province), 74,404 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1975.
Benidorm (Alicante province), 69,010 inhabitants. Has tram-train.
Molina del Segura (Murcia province), 68,775 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1971.
Santa Lucía de Tirajana (Gran Canaria island), 68,544 inhabitants.
Sanlúcar de Barrameda (Cadiz province), 67,385 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Estepona (Malaga province), 66,566 inhabitants.
La Línea de la Concepción (Cadiz province), 63,132 inhabitants.
Motril (Granada province), 60,870 inhabitants.
Linares (Jaen province), 60,290 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Arganda del Rey (Madrid province), 55,307 inhabitants. Has metro.
San Bartolomé de Tirajana (Gran Canaria island), 54,377 inhabitants.
Calvià (Majorca island), 50,363 inhabitants.
Boadilla del Monte (Madrid province), 47,852 inhabitants.. Has tramway.
Adeje (Tenerife island), 46,667 inhabitants.
Esplugues de Llobregat (Barcelona province), 46,133 inhabitants. Has metro and tramway.
Mairena del Aljarafe (Seville province), 43,723 inhabitants. Has metro.
Granadilla de Abona (Tenerife island), 43,455 inhabitants.
Mislata (Valencia province), 43,281 inhabitants. Has metro.
Lucena (Cordoba province), 42,748 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1985.
Rincón de la Victoria (Malaga province), 42,688 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1968.
Denia (Alicante province), 41,672 inhabitants. Has tram-train.
La Orotava (Tenerife island), 41,179 inhabitants.
Puerto de Sagunto (Valencia province), 40,842 inhabitants.
Écija (Seville province), 40,634 inhabitants. Railway line closed in 1971.
To be fair, aren´t many of these on the Canary Islands and respectively suburbs (like Roquetas de Mar, it is kind of a suburb of Almeria, just 19 km to the train station there...).I think only some of those are really screaming for a rail connection (Marbella is pretty outrageous in lacking a rail link, for example). In general, there is a distinct lack of coast-side rail lines South of Valencia, which I think is pretty problematic as these could probably have decent traffic due to population densities (and significant summer booms due to tourism).
Robi_damian está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 12th, 2015, 10:31 PM   #2874
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robi_damian View Post
To be fair, aren´t many of these on the Canary Islands [...]
Some of them are, yes.
So... being on an island makes you less prone to having railway and less prone to road saturation, then?
Who would have guessed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robi_damian View Post
[...] and respectively suburbs (like Roquetas de Mar, it is kind of a suburb of Almeria, just 19 km to the train station there...).
Roquetas de Mar and El Ejido are not exactly simple suburbs of Almeria, the same way Huddersfield or Bradford are not just simple suburbs of Leeds (in a different scale, that is). Actually these two towns have had a rather impressive growth in the last decade. I wonder which will be their population in fifteen years time...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robi_damian View Post
I think only some of those are really screaming for a rail connection (Marbella is pretty outrageous in lacking a rail link, for example).
It is indeed. Note that I didn't add Gibraltar (and its airport) to the list, but if I had, the numbers would have been even more telling.
The Western Costa del Sol between Fuengirola and Algeciras needs rail so badly.

And Torrevieja too, it should have never lost the railway line it had, it was madness to close it instead of upgrading it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robi_damian View Post
In general, there is a distinct lack of coast-side rail lines South of Valencia, which I think is pretty problematic as these could probably have decent traffic due to population densities (and significant summer booms due to tourism).
Not only that, in some cases the lines were closed or were built in narrow gauge, or both.

This, plus the Iberian gauge question, and the narrow gauge on the Northern Atlantic coast, are three of the chronic problems of the railway in Spain.
All three remain largely unsolved.
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Last edited by 437.001; July 12th, 2015 at 10:38 PM.
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2015, 09:48 PM   #2875
hammersklavier
Feral
 
hammersklavier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 597
Likes (Received): 423

Well islands can be tricky. Malta is obviously too small to support an intercity railway, for example. An island like Corsica or Sardinia might be able to. A lot of it depends on the physical size of the island.

And my recollection is, the Canary Islands aren't that big. They're about the same size as the Hawaiian archipelago -- which can in no way support an intercity railway. It isn't just the size of the cities on the islands -- it's the specific limitations of insular geography.

I would be more interested in finding out the largest cities that ought to have a connection to the mainline rail network -- and don't.
hammersklavier no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2015, 10:12 PM   #2876
arctic_carlos
Recondita armonia
 
arctic_carlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sitges - Barcelona
Posts: 4,734
Likes (Received): 3972

The two most populated Canary Islands (Tenerife and Gran Canaria) really need some kind of railway in order to tackle the chronic congestion problems they endure. Of course we're talking about some kind of suburban or commuter rail, not an intercity railway.

There are projects to build railway lines in both islands, but their cost will be really high because of terrain and urbanism, and therefore many parts of the lines will have to be underground.

Majorca, also an island, has had a small railway network for more than a century. It has been recently electrified and it offers a good service.
__________________
Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.

Bertolt Brecht

Robi_damian liked this post
arctic_carlos no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 13th, 2015, 10:15 PM   #2877
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,810

By the way... first Spanish railway was in an island and not in Europe... (a bit of history)
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2015, 03:34 AM   #2878
Bitxofo
¡Viva el metro!
 
Bitxofo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Alderaan BCN BKK ATH PAR LON SYD SFO CPT TYO SCL CHC BUE SCG SVQ AGP BDN
Posts: 37,525
Likes (Received): 3674

Quote:
Originally Posted by alserrod View Post
By the way... first Spanish railway was in an island and not in Europe... (a bit of history)
1st in Cuba, Spanish province, in 1837.
2nd from Barcelona to Mataró, in 1848.
__________________
www.urbanrail.net
Εγώ είμαι ο Νταβόρ!!
David (DavoR for my friends)
川添 Kawazoe (riverside) 海斗 Kaito (big dipper of the ocean), in Japanese.
Yo si la ciudad no tiene metro, como que no es gran ciudad y entonces ya paso de vivir allí. Norreport+12000
Bitxofo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2015, 11:15 AM   #2879
Robi_damian
Registered User
 
Robi_damian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Timisoara
Posts: 2,756
Likes (Received): 9996

Quote:
Originally Posted by alserrod View Post
By the way... first Spanish railway was in an island and not in Europe... (a bit of history)
Cuba is quite in a different league as compared to the Canaries though... I did not mean, btw, that rail lines are impossible for the Canary islands, just that they would not be a full-blown railway line as we understand it, just an urban/cercanias/metro/tram-train/light rail arrangement.
Robi_damian está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 14th, 2015, 12:07 PM   #2880
437.001
Sister Greed U
 
437.001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the road (Spain)
Posts: 32,007
Likes (Received): 15436


Ah, okay. So what makes a "full railway different" from a "commuter railway"?
As a matter of fact, commuter railway implies railway, that is, full railway.
I'm talking infrastructure, not services.

Metro or tram are different animals.

And yes I know, sometimes things tend to mix, but in normal conditions, to me the distinction is quite clear between what is "a railway", what is "a tramway" and what is "a metro".
__________________
&&& abcde PMR en Cat ImpTgn Cat2017
Everybody got a job to lose (A.E, Vision Thing, WEA, 1990)

Bitxofo, arctic_carlos liked this post
437.001 no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
alicante, ave, canfranc, high speed rail, spain in the world

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium