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Old September 17th, 2007, 05:52 PM   #281
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Just wait a few weeks (two as much). Renfe will make public its new commercial offer.

Well, I said 70 €, but it will be arround 90 €...

Here you have the link : http://www.cuatro.com/articulo.html?...613ctoultnot_3
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Old September 17th, 2007, 06:28 PM   #282
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i think it will be an incredible service and as such, a one way ticket in club class of €110 is acceptable...

by the way, AWESOME videos...
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Old September 18th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #283
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i think it will be an incredible service and as such, a one way ticket in club class of €110 is acceptable...

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Ok for club class, but it is expensive for tourist class, I'm afraid...
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Old September 18th, 2007, 01:17 AM   #284
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Renfe commercial policy are going to change from next January. We have to expect some changes, for example less exprensive fares for buying in advance. Now there is no difference between buying a ticket 10 minutes before departure or a month before.
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Old September 18th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #285
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What will be time of trip betwen Paris and Madrid in 2009 when this line will be open?
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Old September 18th, 2007, 09:07 PM   #286
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Madrid-Barcelona about 2:15

Barcelona-Paris about 5:45

So Madrid-Paris (via Barcelona) about 8:00

BUT about 2012-2013 Madrid-Hendaye HSL will be open, so Madrid-Paris via Hendaye will be about one hour less.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 04:42 AM   #287
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Paris-Barcelona about 5 hours in 2012, if Frenchs finished the HS link from Montpellier to Béziers/Perpignan.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:54 AM   #288
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Why the building section from Montpellier to Perpignan will last so long (to 2012) but Perpignan - Figueras only to 2009 ?
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Old September 19th, 2007, 11:16 AM   #289
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Nice question for the French Government.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 02:28 PM   #290
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Why the building section from Montpellier to Perpignan will last so long (to 2012) but Perpignan - Figueras only to 2009 ?
The French have always prioritized their railway investments carefully. The section from Perpignan to Girona has been a severe bottleneck for trans european freight for several decades. On the other hand the section from Montpellier to Perpignan is not considered to be congested yet. I have read some reports that it may not need to be fully completed untill 2020.

These types of investments are not made just to fill a "gap on the map". They are made to solve real problems.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 03:02 PM   #291
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Why the building section from Montpellier to Perpignan will last so long (to 2012) but Perpignan - Figueras only to 2009 ?
Recently it has been said that Perpignan-Figueras will open in 2012.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 03:27 PM   #292
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The French have always prioritized their railway investments carefully. The section from Perpignan to Girona has been a severe bottleneck for trans european freight for several decades. On the other hand the section from Montpellier to Perpignan is not considered to be congested yet. I have read some reports that it may not need to be fully completed untill 2020.

These types of investments are not made just to fill a "gap on the map". They are made to solve real problems.
It isn't very precise. The main problem between Perpignan and Gerona isn't track capacity (in fact, there is double track in France and in Spain), but different guage. Though there are passenger trains which can run on different gauges (Talgo an CAF trains) due to variable gauge axles system, there isn't an easy equivalent system for freight trains. Well, really Tranfesa has special freight wagons which can change their axles, but it's more complicated and slow that the one used for passenger trains. Bottleneck is caused by guage problems, not by infraestructure capacity.

In the case of Perpignan-Montpellier, by the moment, there is a plan for building railway by-passes in Nimes and Montpellier, in order to try to avoid colapse of these stations. When UIC gauge track reach the Barcelona's harbour, freight shift will rise, and in France there will be problems due to many different types of traffic (freight, TGV's, TER...) on a simple double track. Moreover, that line has a lot of speed restrictions because of it goes through many urban areas.

In the long run, I found more problems in France that in Spain, at least in this corridor.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 07:00 PM   #293
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Recently it has been said that Perpignan-Figueras will open in 2012.
And Perpignan-Montpellier in HS not earlier than 2020...
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Old September 29th, 2007, 01:18 PM   #294
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Old September 29th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #295
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Old October 25th, 2007, 05:40 PM   #296
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I am very sorry to say this, but it's life:

High speed train opening to Barcelona delayed 1 or 2 months (January or February 2008), due to big problems in the tunnel to Sants station, because of underground waters.

The official opening was 21/12/2007.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 09:59 PM   #297
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But, ¿what about El Prat railway station? ¿AVEs can't arrive there until the tunnel is finished?
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Old October 26th, 2007, 12:04 AM   #298
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It was funny to hear Spanish people grumble on satellite TV about the suspension of various suburban railway lines in Barcelona, that were replaced by buses! This temporary inconvenience is necessary for the completion of the high-speed line near Barcelona.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 12:20 AM   #299
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¿Why it's funny? ¿What do you think the people of Barcelona think about that?

It isn't necessary, but accidents happen, so this is a not-planned scenario.
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¿Why it's funny? ¿What do you think the people of Barcelona think about that?
It is funny because they take suburban railway service for granted. There are many other cities as big as Barcelona without such service, even in Europe. I think Barcelonians are a bit spoiled.
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