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Old July 21st, 2016, 02:53 AM   #3041
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The Barcelona commuter Renfe trains have actually improved their reliability since 2007, even though they're still not Japan-like, reliability-wise.


Trains are running slower and are less reliable than ever. Compare route times for the last 30 years and you see a steady increase in travel times on ALL routes, this is not explained by the addition of new stations.

Sitges-Barcelona Sants used to be 25 minutes with Cercanias, and that was back in the 1970s with 436 trains that could not even do 120km/h, with Talgo you could even do it in under 20 minutes, today it takes 50 minutes with trains that do 160 and has like 3 times faster acceleration. The Suizas did Gava-Sants in under 10 minutes, I know because I was on them regularly, today you are lucky if it is done under 20 minutes and I'm talking about the direct trains.

The exact same thing has happened on all the other routes, travel times in many cases have doubled because of lack of investments, temporary speed restrictions have turned into permanent ones because of lack of investments. Routes are in worse condition than ever, Sants-Vilafranca used to be 35 minutes, now it is 55. And I can go on and on, don't even get me started on Barcelona-Girona route.

Adding more trains does not improve the service if the travel times is DOUBLE that of before. The poor state of the infrastructure has forced RENFE/ADIF to decrease the speed of the trains several times, it is a miracle there have not been any derailments yet.

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Old July 21st, 2016, 09:52 PM   #3042
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Than EVER? I'm just not bothering to answer such nonsense. Keep on trolling and be reported.
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 02:38 PM   #3043
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More pictures of the new rolling stock of Lleida - La Pobla de Segur line.

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Old July 22nd, 2016, 03:35 PM   #3044
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Where is that gorge?
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 05:03 PM   #3045
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Here:

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.04457.../data=!3m1!1e3

Between the stations of Àger and Cellers. The gorge is called "Congost de Terradets". It's quite impressive.
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 10:23 PM   #3046
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Between the stations of Àger and Cellers. The gorge is called "Congost de Terradets". It's quite impressive.
And 10 km to the west there is an even more impressive gorge called Mont-rebei with a hiking trail cut into the rock, I think it is the most scenic in all of Spain alongside Caminito del Rey.
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 10:24 PM   #3047
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These gorges remind me of the Canion de Añalisco, which I drove through some years ago.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #3048
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These gorges remind me of the Canion de Añalisco, which I drove through some years ago.

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Cañon de Añisclo is narrower indeed. It is the only one way road I know in Spain for several months (sometimes some road can be one way in the morning and back in the afternoon, but not the same direction for so long).

It is entirely inside a national park (and was dangered to be damned!!!!! in the 70s)

Hope you enjoyed there. Next time do not hesitate to ask for info.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 11:58 AM   #3049
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A video and some pictures of the new trains in Lleida - La Pobla de Segur FGC line, taken yesterday on its official first trip (regular service starts today).

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Old July 25th, 2016, 01:47 PM   #3050
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Looks like a good sightseeing route if I ever happen to be in that area.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #3051
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A bit sensational title but can any spanish forumer confirm this?


EU KILLS OFF Spain's dream of high-speed trains and orders it to PAY BACK £117million


THE EU has ordered Spain to pay back €140million (£117million) in state aid it has already forked out on a high-speed train test centre[...]
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Old July 27th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #3052
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They don't seem to realise that Spain already has high speed rail, otherwise they wouldn't call it a "dream" and wouldn't think it could be killed off entirely by a dispute over a test centre.

The article quotes a European Commission spokesperson as saying ""There does not appear to be any interest in the market to develop products that run at such high speeds" but there is no mention of what speeds the spokesperson is referring to. If you don't realise that Spain already has high speed rail, such details might not seem important.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 08:14 PM   #3053
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The testing centre was intended for trains which run at speeds of up to 520 km/h. Nobody in the world wants that, even the Chinese have slowed down their bullet trains.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 08:31 PM   #3054
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The testing centre was intended for trains which run at speeds of up to 520 km/h. Nobody in the world wants that, even the Chinese have slowed down their bullet trains.
Yes but the maximum speed is constantly rising and at present there are talks about 400 km/h trains so 520 km/h mark isn't such far away. Apart from that I don't get EC statement that there are enough facilities for testing of HS trains, it is quite the opposite, the fastest track in Czech Velim enables 230 km/h tests, similar facility in Faurei Romania offers 200 km/h meanwhile Siemens facility in Wegberg-Wildenrath only 160 km/h. So there isn't any facility which enables tests of speeds above that while for example Italy to certify its ETR1000 to 360 km/h operations was requiring test runs with almost 400 km/h! So to my understanding test circuit in Spain would be very useful but it would impact German interests in that matter and thus isn't desirable by EC.
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Old July 30th, 2016, 11:29 AM   #3055
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Talgo Picasso doing the service between Málaga and Bilbao crossing La Rioja.


Alvia (Talgo) "Picasso" Málaga-Bilbao en San Felices (La Rioja) by Jose Ignacio Esnarriaga San Jose, en Flickr
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 11:33 AM   #3056
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FGV (Ferrocarrils de la Generalitat Valenciana, Valencia region-owned railways) announced last week the immediate (albeit temporary) closure of Calp - Dénia section of the Alicante - Dénia narow gauge line due to the impossibility to assure the necessary safety conditions.

In fact, the line was supposed to be closed in October this year to start upgrade works, but according to FGV it was impossible to continue operating train services without reducing the maximum speed of the line from 80 km/h to 40 km/h. Therefore, train services on that section of the line have been suspended and replaced by buses until works are completed. Reopening of the whole line is expected in 2018, although a partial reopening between Calp and Teulada could take place once works on that section are completed next year.

At least the section between Altea and Calp has already been upgraded (it was closed between October 2015 and May 2016), so the effects of the closure don't affect a bigger part of the line. In any case, it's bad news they couldn't wait until the end of the summer season to close the line.

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Closed L9 since yesterday between Calpe and Dénia: Too poor security conditions.

Temporarily suspended rail service between Calp - Dénia.


Between Benidorm and Altea was upgraded (platforms and tracks) in 2008
Between October 2015 and May the section Altea - Calpe was upgraded too.
In October begins the upgrade works in the closed section.



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EL CONSEJO DE ADMINISTRACIÓN DE FGV ACUERDA SUSPENDER EL SERVICIO DE TREN CALP-DÉNIA DE LA L9 HASTA QUE SE REALICEN LAS OBRAS DE ACONDICIONAMIENTO



http://www.fgv.es/el-consejo-de-admi...dicionamiento/
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VINTAGE IMAGES.

Interesting video showing a partially lost area of the Barcelona rail network.

It's the old section of what now is called line R1, between Estació de França and Sant Adrià de Besòs, through the old Poble Nou station. It was closed in 1991.

You can see many class 440 (now class 470) and 436 EMU's, but also a few Talgo trains (they used to have their depot at Poble Nou station), and a few freight trains, and class 269.2, 304 and 319 locomotives.

This area is now completely redeveloped, and Estació de França still works, but without any northbound train and almost half the platforms it used to have. You can see images of that station before and during the upgrade works.

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VINTAGE IMAGES.

A lovely Spanish TV documentary from 1978 about the last surviving passenger steam railway in Western Europe, the legendary Ponferrada-Villablino line.

The line, after being dieselized in the 1980's, was sadly closed a few years ago.
There's a plan to reinstate it as a heritage railway, but the prospects aren't looking very good (not a lot of money, and local politicians not being interested)...

If you understand Spanish, it's well worth a listen too. Quite telling of how much Spain has changed in 40 years.

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Old August 4th, 2016, 01:36 AM   #3059
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I believe that there are some narrow-gauge commuter lines in what was West Germany that still use steam to this day.
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The narrow gauge Villablino-Ponferrada line was recently closed but in the last years (decades?) it was used only to transport coal from a mine to a power station. The connection to the broad gauge line and the Ponferrada main station was, I think, closed well before.

In Germany there is the Harz narrow gauge network still using steam trains (but also diesel railcars and bimode electric and diesel tram-trains), however that's for touristic reasons, not because of the lack of alternatives.

http://www.hsb-wr.de/
http://www.harzbahn.de/
http://www.harzer-schmalspurbahn.de/
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harzer_Schmalspurbahnen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harz_N...Gauge_Railways

However, from time to time a practical use of a steam locomotive is found. Recently some work trains on the Arth-Rigi rack railway in Switzerland were run with steam engines, because the overhead line had to be repaired but there were no operable diesel locomotives at the time. These steam engines usually only run historic trains.

Steam locos in regular service (= not because of tourists or special cases like the Rigi) might be found only in some Chinese coal mines nowasays.
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