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Old October 26th, 2016, 02:53 PM   #3081
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So there are more narrow gauge lines other than the coastal one?
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Old October 26th, 2016, 04:27 PM   #3082
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Bilbao - León narrow gauge line.

http://www.renfe.com/viajeros/feve/m...eon_bilbao.png

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocarril_de_La_Robla

The line was closed in 1991 but fortunately it was reopened in 2003. There are frequent commuter services between León and Cistierna and between Bilbao and Balmaseda, but just a daily Bilbao - León service, which takes 7.5 hours, so it's a service rather useful to intermediate towns than to trips between Bilbao and León.

Besides, there are narrow gauge lines in Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante and Mallorca, which have been upgraded and mostly electrified to become frequent suburban, metro o tram-train lines, and there's as well a short narrow gauge line in Cartagena, which sadly hasn't been upgraded yet.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 01:55 AM   #3083
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New livery for ex-Feve trains.

Not many significant news lately.

But here's one, albeit a small one.

Here's the new Renfe livery for Diesel Autorails class 529 (ex-Feve class 2900).
Image taken at El Berron station (Asturias, Northern Spain). Note the Cercanías Renfe symbol:

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This is the old Feve livery. I don't like it much:

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Feve. by Jorge Almuni, en Flickr
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Old October 27th, 2016, 02:09 AM   #3084
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why did they order so short units? They could have made it at least 3 modules...
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Old October 27th, 2016, 02:13 AM   #3085
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why did they order so short units? They could have made it at least 3 modules...
These are autorails for small narrow-gauge lines.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 03:19 PM   #3086
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These are autorails for small narrow-gauge lines.
Which also have a very small demand. Lines with more passengers usually have bigger trains:

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Old October 27th, 2016, 04:13 PM   #3087
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Does it really make sense to run a rail based transport instead of a bus if the demand is that low? Those units look a bit silly...
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It's not unlike a tram in size...
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Old October 29th, 2016, 02:28 AM   #3090
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With the new government of Spain in place, is it possible we will see a new rail spending plan that would restore to service and electrify the Burgos-Aranda d'Oro-Madrid railway?
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With the new government of Spain in place, is it possible we will see a new rail spending plan that would restore to service and electrify the Burgos-Aranda de Duero-Madrid railway?
Unlikely by now.

Freight trains will return to Aranda de Duero, but only from Burgos.

The section between Colmenar Viejo and Soto del Real (near Madrid) is supposed to be included in the Cercanias Renfe network.

ps: O rio Douro em Espanha chamase "Duero".
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Old October 29th, 2016, 04:42 AM   #3093
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News:

-the Yeles by-pass between the Madrid-Valencia/Alicante HSL and the Madrid-Andalusia HSL will see its second track finally built.

-a plan to extend the Costa del Sol line from Fuengirola to Marbella and Estepona (and maybe later to Algeciras via La Línea -next to Gibraltar) is being studied. The road traffic in the area is fairly congested, and Marbella is the biggest Spanish city without railway (never had it). Mijas and Estepona are not small either, and they never had railway either. Its patronage is assured, current trains between Malaga, the Malaga airport, Torremolinos, Benalmadena and Fuengirola are more and more overcrowded. The main handicap here will be its cost, as it will be mostly underground (hence rather expensive).

-a plan for a potential reopening of the Albatera-Torrevieja line (on the Costa Blanca) is being studied. It closed in 1970 for passengers, and in 1985 to all traffic. But Torrevieja is one of the biggest Spanish cities without railway. Presumably, the line would see commuter rail to Elche and Alicante, plus (maybe) some long-distance Alvia services to Madrid. Crucially this would be cheaper than the Costa del Sol plan. On the down side, the Torrevieja mayor seems to be a bit nimby, although he says he wants the railway back in town.
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Old October 29th, 2016, 06:38 PM   #3094
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With the new government of Spain in place, is it possible we will see a new rail spending plan that would restore to service and electrify the Burgos-Aranda d'Oro-Madrid railway?
Besides what 437.001 points out, it's worth mentioning that currently the main priority is basically to finish the works of what has already been started; we won't see any new projects of considerable size in a long time, since there are many HSL under construction where works are only advancing at a very slow speed (Madrid Chamartín - Madrid Atocha - Torrejón de Velasco, Antequera - Granada, Monforte del Cid - Murcia, Venta de Baños - Burgos, Valencia - La Encina, Zamora - Ourense or Vitoria - Bilbao / San Sebastián), which will absorb much of the public spending in railways in the coming years, at least until 2020.

In addition, we could see some investments in classic rail, but mainly concentrated in the Cercanías networks of the main metro areas (new stations on existing lines, refurbishment of existing stations...). Perhaps new lines will be added to the network, especially in the Madrid area (Humanes - Illescas, Colmenar Viejo - Soto del Real or Móstoles - Navalcarnero), but only where the required investment is reasonably low.

And finally we'll have to face sooner or later the issue of the regauging of the whole network step by step, beginning with the installation of mixed gauge wherever it's necessary for standard gauge freight trains (Castellbisbal - Almussafes and Hendaye - San Sebastián).

* d'Oro (made of gold - in portunhol or catanyol ); de Duero (on the Duero river).
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Old October 29th, 2016, 06:43 PM   #3095
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-a plan for a potential reopening of the Albatera-Torrevieja line (on the Costa Blanca) is being studied. It closed in 1970 for passengers, and in 1985 to all traffic. But Torrevieja is one of the biggest Spanish cities without railway. Presumably, the line would see commuter rail to Elche and Alicante, plus (maybe) some long-distance Alvia services to Madrid. Crucially this would be cheaper than the Costa del Sol plan. On the down side, the Torrevieja mayor seems to be a bit nimby, although he says he wants the railway back in town.
Why not AVE services? I mean, the line to Torrevieja should be reopened in standard gauge, given in Albatera it will connect with the standard gauge HSL Monforte del Cid - Murcia and, at the time the aforementioned line will reopen, the classic line between Albatera and Alicante will have already been regauged to standard gauge and electrified (hopefully ).
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Is it worth a line through Elche instead of a coastal line? I mean a Cartagena-Alicante-Benidorm-Gandia line
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The line through Elche already exists (although it needs duplication and electrification), while a Cartagena - Alicante coastal line is just a wet dream which would be very costly due to massive (and sometimes illegal) urbanization.

It's something similar to Fuengirola - Marbella - Estepona, which would necessarily have to be built almost 99% underground due to the lack of physical space to build it above ground if urban centers are to be served.

Besides, a Torrevieja - Albatera - Elche - Airport - Alicante frequent service would be very useful and well patronized from day one. However, I wouldn't rule out in the long term the construction of a tram train line Torrevieja - Guardamar - Santa Pola - Airport - Alicante following N-332, which could be connected to the Alicante tram network, and if continued towards Cartagena via San Pedro del Pinatar and San Javier, it could connect with the Cartagena - Los Nietos narrow gauge line. Cartagena - Alicante traffic would continue to be routed via Murcia, leaving the tram train to link the coastal resorts with each other and both San Javier and Alicante airports.
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Old October 29th, 2016, 11:27 PM   #3098
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So there are more narrow gauge lines other than the coastal one?
At least....

- Ferrol-Hendaye (with branches somewhere, for instance, near Gijon/Oviedo, etc...)
- Bilbao-Leon
- commuters at Barcelona, managed by regional government (they are lines where in the same track you can have a subway train with all stations or a regional train with less call)
- undergrond at Valencia (somewhere there is only one track and nothing related to an usual underground)
- a little line near Alicante, managed by regional government of Valencia
- a little line near Cartagena (nowadays managed by Renfe but it was always part of FEVE, the company that managed lines in the north)
- one commuter line in Madrid (quite used to approach mountains an a ski resort)
- all Balearic railways (not so many)
- rack railway at Nuria (there is no other way to approach to that ski resort and hotel)


and some other rack railways, but not so many.
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Old October 30th, 2016, 12:47 AM   #3099
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-a plan for a potential reopening of the Albatera-Torrevieja line (on the Costa Blanca) is being studied. It closed in 1970 for passengers, and in 1985 to all traffic. But Torrevieja is one of the biggest Spanish cities without railway. Presumably, the line would see commuter rail to Elche and Alicante, plus (maybe) some long-distance Alvia services to Madrid. Crucially this would be cheaper than the Costa del Sol plan. On the down side, the Torrevieja mayor seems to be a bit nimby, although he says he wants the railway back in town.
That's interesting. Do we know if it would be located where the old track was? Torrevieja old station building still exists and most of the track has been replaced with either small roads or bicycle roads but perhaps could be re-adapted.
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I like the plan to bring rail to La Linea. I still wished they connected Andalucía with Algarve
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