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Old November 1st, 2016, 04:43 AM   #3101
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That's interesting. Do we know if it would be located where the old track was?
That's definitely one of the options.

However, some parts would need to be modified due to environmental reasons (the old line used tu run through what nowadays is a natural preserved site).

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Torrevieja old station building still exists
But won't be reused. Any Torrevieja station, be it next to the old one or in an entirely new site, will be underground. There's simply no more room.

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and most of the track has been replaced with either small roads or bicycle roads but perhaps could be re-adapted.
The trackbed between San Isidro-Albatera and Los Montesinos can be rebuilt, and that, even though most of it was transformed into a motorway.
But there's still a lot of room to build new tracks next to it (or even in the middle of it, as in the line from Athens to its airport).

However, other options shouldn't be discarded, it's too soon to tell.
And it'll still take many years anyway, and that even if it ever got the go-ahead (which is still not 100% sure).
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Old November 1st, 2016, 11:23 PM   #3102
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I like the plan to bring rail to La Linea. I still wished they connected Andalucía with Algarve
Until 1992 Huelva hadn't road connection with Portugal!!!!!, planning a new line is not easy at all
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 12:50 AM   #3103
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Until 1992 Huelva hadn't road connection with Portugal!!!!!,
That has more to do with political inabilities than with technical unfeasability.

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planning a new line is not easy at all
It isn't particularly complicated. It's more of an issue of not attracting enough passengers all year round.
Southern Portugal is not very much populated.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 05:26 PM   #3104
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-a plan for a potential reopening of the Albatera-Torrevieja line (on the Costa Blanca) is being studied. It closed in 1970 for passengers, and in 1985 to all traffic. But Torrevieja is one of the biggest Spanish cities without railway. Presumably, the line would see commuter rail to Elche and Alicante, plus (maybe) some long-distance Alvia services to Madrid. Crucially this would be cheaper than the Costa del Sol plan. On the down side, the Torrevieja mayor seems to be a bit nimby, although he says he wants the railway back in town.
If it happens, then woohoo!

Torrevieja desperately needs a rail link. A cercanias service into Alicante would be fantastic, especially if it could get decent frequency (say every 30 minutes?) which would also make people Elche very happy.

But, I suspect the single track mainline might run into capacity issues, given it's already heavily used by both the C1 line, regional and talgo services. It'd likely need double tracking (as well as the electrification) at least as far as the junction from Alicante, which would be a huge cost, given the Elche tunnel.

In an ideal world, I'd say it's worthwhile building that cost into a wholesale upgrade of the classic line between Alicante and Murcia so C1 and C3 can run as modern, high frequency EMU services, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon/ever.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 09:46 PM   #3105
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I don't know if you're aware that between Albatera and Murcia the classic line is currently being doubled and electrified as part of the HSL Monforte del Cid - Murcia, which also means that it will be regauged to standard gauge. Therefore, between Alicante and Albatera the classic line is also to be regauged and electrified, in order to allow through service on the classic line, but nobody knows if that will happen anytime soon, so maybe the current Alicante - Murcia services will be split in two requiring a change of trains in Albatera as a temporary solution.

In any case, doubling between Alicante and east of Elche depends on the construction of the new alignment of the line via the airport. Doubling the urban tunnel of Elche would be quite costly, so I don't know whether that will even happen. Finally, between west of Elche and Crevillente the line is supposed to be rerouted via the new Elche station on the HSL. All of that is quite a mess, actually, as there has been an obvious lack of planning.

But I agree with you that the reopening of the railway connection with Torrevieja should be a priority. In an ideal world, there would be from Alicante a 30 minute frequency to Torrevieja and a 30 minute frequency to Murcia, leaving the common stretch with a 15 minute frequency via the airport and Elche.
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Old November 4th, 2016, 03:01 PM   #3106
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I don't know if you're aware that between Albatera and Murcia the classic line is currently being doubled and electrified as part of the HSL Monforte del Cid - Murcia, which also means that it will be regauged to standard gauge. Therefore, between Alicante and Albatera the classic line is also to be regauged and electrified, in order to allow through service on the classic line, but nobody knows if that will happen anytime soon, so maybe the current Alicante - Murcia services will be split in two requiring a change of trains in Albatera as a temporary solution.

In any case, doubling between Alicante and east of Elche depends on the construction of the new alignment of the line via the airport. Doubling the urban tunnel of Elche would be quite costly, so I don't know whether that will even happen. Finally, between west of Elche and Crevillente the line is supposed to be rerouted via the new Elche station on the HSL. All of that is quite a mess, actually, as there has been an obvious lack of planning.

But I agree with you that the reopening of the railway connection with Torrevieja should be a priority. In an ideal world, there would be from Alicante a 30 minute frequency to Torrevieja and a 30 minute frequency to Murcia, leaving the common stretch with a 15 minute frequency via the airport and Elche.
Thanks for the heads up! I knew something was going on along there, but couldn't figure it out. If the classic line is being re-gauged - I guess to become to the LAV(?) - then what will become of the cercanias and other classic services? I can't see them being able to share track with AVEs, without completely killing capacity, or is it going to be four standard gauge lines? (twin track standard gauge locals, plus twin track LAV as well)
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Exactly, AVE and Cercanías will share the two tracks, so there will probably be capacity problems if traffic increases. However, it's not clear yet how the line will be exploited (two single tracks, one in each gauge, or a double track in standard gauge).
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Old November 16th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #3108
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Exacy, AVE and Cercanías will share the two tracks, so there will probably be capacity problems ig traffic increases. However, it's not clear yet how the line will be exploited (two single tracks, one in each gauge, or a double track in standard gauge).
Do we know how it's going to work around Elche, as I thought the new line swung way north of the city to join up with the Alicante-Madrid line at Monforte? Or do they intend to keep the classic route as well? Really hope the classic alignment is kept as well, as Elche really needs the stations in the city centre, and it'd be nice to keep the options open for an airport line in the future.
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The current alignment through Elche will be kept for sure, but just for commuter trains on the Alicante - Murcia C1 line.

The new station for high speed trains (AVE) in Elche will be located a few kilometers west of the city itself, halfway between Elche and Crevillente, and sadly not connected to the classic line.

As you correctly point out, a new standard-gauge HSL is being built between Monforte del Cid and west of Elche (in a place called Realengo, to be more precise), where it joins the classic line Alicante - Murcia which is being modernized from there up to Murcia.

As I mentioned in my previous posts, it's not clear yet how everything will operate in the short term regarding different gauges and electric/diesel services. But in the long term, the classic line through Elche is to be electrified and regauged, as well as rerouted through Alicante airport (and doubled between Torrellano and Alicante). That's the only way to continue operating Cercanías services between Alicante and Murcia as well as the new high speed services.
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I get it now. Thanks for that
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Since we're talking about the Murcia HSL:
What is this short stub from which the HSL swings away?

--> http://www.retrofutur.org/retrofutur...634)&mt=hybrid

Could it be that they changed plans after works had already begun: Instead of continuing the HSL straight away they have chosen a new alignment further north?
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Old November 18th, 2016, 10:32 AM   #3113
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You're probably right. The section of HSL west of that point opened some time ago (2008 IIRC) in Iberian gauge and it was clearly designed when the rest of the alignment hadn't been decided yet.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 03:39 AM   #3114
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Since we're talking about the Murcia HSL:
What is this short stub from which the HSL swings away?

--> http://www.retrofutur.org/retrofutur...634)&mt=hybrid

Could it be that they changed plans after works had already begun: Instead of continuing the HSL straight away they have chosen a new alignment further north?
You are right, and I don't even need to look at what it is to know what you mean.

The planning of the HSL/upgrade/thingy between Alicante and Murcia (and Almeria) has been just atrocious.
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News!

The ministry has issued a press release about the Palencia to Santander line.

It says that it will be upgraded and double-tracked between Santander and Torrelavega, among other things.

The new minister for Infrastructure is from Santander.
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Lleida - La Pobla de Segur FGC line

In October 2016 the number of passengers has seen an increase of 200% compared with October 2015 (that is to say, the number of passengers has tripled, from 5,000 to 15,000).

Cross-posting from the Catalan sub-forum in the Spanish forum (credits to Vignole):

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En octubre han usado la linea 15.600 viajeros, lo que supone triplicar las cifras de octubre de 2015 .



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Old November 19th, 2016, 06:40 PM   #3117
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In October 2016 the number of passengers has seen an increase of 200% compared with October 2015 (that is to say, the number of passengers has tripled, from 5,000 to 15,000).

Cross-posting from the Catalan sub-forum in the Spanish forum (credits to Vignole):
Sorry, I'm not sure what that figure mean. 15,600 passangers in a month (i.e. approx. 500 a day)? Both directions?
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It's the total amount of passengers (i.e. in both ways).

500 passengers a day might still be a low figure, but it used to be much worse (160 passengers a day on average).

The new trains and the new schedules have been so far a great success, given the characteristics of the line, of course.
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A journey by train in Andalusia in the last century, the film shows us the world-famous "Caminito del Rey" apparently in good condition at time of filming the movie

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