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Old December 30th, 2017, 11:11 PM   #3161
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I agree it does look nice, only how needed is it really? From what I remember the current station looks good too and the traffic is not really that dense.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 11:52 PM   #3162
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Who cares? Most of Spanish transport projects are oversized and not built thinking about their usefulness or at least an acceptable cost-benefit ratio. Some famous examples include Ciudad Real's airport (built, opened and closed) and some motorways with extremely low traffic (the record is of a motorway, I think one near Toledo, with less than 1.000 vehicles a day on average, to compare to the 25.000 daily vehicles usually considered to be the minimum to make a motorway reasonable).
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Old December 30th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #3163
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That example is quite different... they were built in a bubble where it seemed people wanted to pay for anything... but just to see AP-42 journey and will take A-42. Free and faster!!!!

This is, we are comparing traffic over a tolled motorway when we have a free paralel motorway.

Other motorways, it is matter of opinion. Sometimes it helps to join inner towns with the rest, areas that are being depopulated as in northern Sweeden or so... (yeah, not hard to find areas with less than 10 hab/km2)
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Old December 31st, 2017, 12:00 AM   #3164
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I agree it does look nice, only how needed is it really? From what I remember the current station looks good too and the traffic is not really that dense.
It will be a transport node and will also integrate the urban and interurban bus station
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Old December 31st, 2017, 12:25 AM   #3165
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Santiago de Compostela railway station is going to be refurbished. The result will look pretty good, in my opinion:
Yet as in many other such examples it will make old station building totally useless which will decay without any purpose. In that sense it may be more wise use German approach and strip interior of old station leaving only external walls and building inside it new modern passenger facility like was done in Nurnberg Hauptbahnhof. It’s controversial as old fabric is lost but on other hand their outdated interiors with useless office space and sometimes even apartments won’t attract any and eventually it will have to be rebuild to house something else.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 11:28 AM   #3166
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Who cares? Most of Spanish transport projects are oversized and not built thinking about their usefulness or at least an acceptable cost-benefit ratio. Some famous examples include Ciudad Real's airport (built, opened and closed) and some motorways with extremely low traffic (the record is of a motorway, I think one near Toledo, with less than 1.000 vehicles a day on average, to compare to the 25.000 daily vehicles usually considered to be the minimum to make a motorway reasonable).
You're comparing apples with pears.

While it's true that there are several white elephants scattered around the country, namely a couple of airports and several toll motorways built parallel to free-of-charge motorways, Spanish railway stations are not precisely oversized (just look at Madrid Chamartín or Barcelona Sants).

Stations built or revamped between 1992 and 2007 are usually well-sized and appropriate for the service they give, just look at Sevilla Santa Justa, Málaga María Zambrano or Córdoba stations. The only controversial station I can think about is of course Zaragoza Delicias, which has important design flaws that make it a freezer in winter.

Nevertheless, since 2007 we haven't hardly seen any important station projects, just provisional adaptations to make older stations available for high speed services. Just look at Valencia Joaquín Sorolla, Alicante or Valladolid stations. More ambitious projects were abandoned in order to save money, which evidently has led to bottlenecks in the network. Not to mention the need to expand Barcelona Sants (or finish the brand-new Barcelona Sagrera station), Madrid Puerta de Atocha or Madrid Chamartín stations. And Granada and Murcia for instance will just get provisional stations because the projects that were originally planned are not affordable at the moment-

So now that the main axis of the country's HSR network are being completed, it's time to think about getting rid of the bottlenecks that provisional urban integrations represent. That means for example building the urban tunnel in Valencia or expanding some stations which cannot cope with the existing or predicted number of passengers.

I have no idea of the passenger figures in the case of Santiago de Compostela, but it looks like a good project to create a hub between bus and rail, and at the same time improving connectivity between both sides of the station.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 07:53 PM   #3167
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The new Huelva railway station is almost ready to open.

It looks pretty functional and in accordance with the size of the city and the number of services it will handle.

However, one can argue that it was unnecessary to build this new station replacing the current one, located just 500 meters away. The decision was clearly taken for purposes of urban planning, rather than taking into account railway needs.

You can see the location of the new and the old stations here: https://www.google.es/maps/@37.25280.../data=!3m1!1e3

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Old January 7th, 2018, 08:30 PM   #3168
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Despite the name (AVE station), the trains will remain Alvia (of variable gauge) as up to now.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 10:16 PM   #3169
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Oh yes, of course. For the last 25 years almost every rail project in the country has had the "AVE" tag attached to it, regardless of its nature, just in case some province feels unfairly treated or its people feel as second-class citizens because they don't have real AVE trains.

Just look at how politicians call the 7km bypass line of Pobra de San Xiao (a newly-built, single-tracked, non-electrified portion of an old single-tracked, non-electrified line) the AVE line to Lugo. Or how the upgrade of the classic line between Álcazar de San Juan and Jaén is also called by the press the AVE line to Jaén.

So no surprise that whoever edited that video wrote "new AVE station in Huelva" as tittle.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 05:29 PM   #3170
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The new Huelva railway station is almost ready to open.

It looks pretty functional and in accordance with the size of the city and the number of services it will handle.

However, one can argue that it was unnecessary to build this new station replacing the current one, located just 500 meters away. The decision was clearly taken for purposes of urban planning, rather than taking into account railway needs.

You can see the location of the new and the old stations here: https://www.google.es/maps/@37.25280.../data=!3m1!1e3

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Is the new Huelva Station prepared for a future conection to the border?!?!?

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Old January 21st, 2018, 12:19 PM   #3171
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It's time for an update on the new Vandellòs - Camp de Tarragona line, part of the upgraded Valencia - Barcelona corridor, which will open around June 2018, according to inner sources.

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The new L'Hospitalet de l'Infant station:

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L´Hospitalet hoy mismo.
Después del parón navideño, han puesto la sexta marcha y el avance en esta semana ha sido espectacular. La fachada de entrada presenta este aspecto y el único pero que veo, es que el acceso a la estación sólo se efectuará por una puerta automática de 1,50 situada en el lado izquierdo. El resto de la fachada es vidrio.


El urbanizado exterior continúa a buen ritmo.


Fachada lado sur. Es donde estará la cafetería. En la parte izquierda se aprecia la instalación del grupo electrógeno.


Vista hacia el norte. Justo a mi derecha estaría el ascensor.


Vista con mas detalle de la fachada lado andén.


Ahora me dirijo hacia la zona del andén lado norte. Se observa la casi finalización del murete dónde irán colocados los soportes para el vallado exterior.


Vista hacia el sur.


Vista desde el interior mirando hacia el andén y taquillas.


Sistema de doble puerta para el acceso a la estación.


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The new PAET* of Rifá (*It won't be a station for commercial services, just a place to overtake slower trains). It has 400 m long tracks and platforms, longer than the other stations, where they're just 200 m long.

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Paet de Rifá.
De entre las estaciones de la variante de vandellós, esta estación/Paet/apartadero, es la que tiene las vía útiles más largas y andenes de 400 mts...y no recibirá viajeros.
Se ha comenzado con el tema de la terminación de los andenes. El de la foto es el del lado norte.


El del lado sur ya tiene colocadas las losetas del borde de andén. Veremos si el resto de andén lo asfaltan o le colocan algún tipo de loseta, ya que el tema de desgaste por zapatos y tacones va a ser mínimo.


La topera ya finalizada. Me da a mí que han dado otro ancho justo antes de la topera. ¿no?
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The new Cambrils station:

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En Cambrils ya están colocadas las luminarias de andén.


Vista desde el lado norte. Se aprecia el tema del alumbrado y una columna con unas cámaras de seguridad y altavoces para la megafonía.


El tema de los tragaluces del exterior de los andenes se finiquita con unas barras anticaídas. Nada de ventanas, que luego cuesta mucho mantenerlas.


Finalizando el reportaje, se puede ver como han resuelto el tema para que el personal de mantenimiento, pueda bajar desde el final del andén hacia la vía a través de una pasarela inclinada.


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Ascensores de Cambrils AV


Andén lado mar. Se observa a la izquierda la puerta de acceso a las escaleras (no automáticas). Espero que se mantengan siempre operativos los dos ascensores, porque como falle uno...
And as a bonus, the upgrade of the Tarragona station in the classic line (not to be confused with Camp de Tarragona station on the Madrid - Barcelona HSL). The station is getting a new wider central platform with elevators and escalators to replace the older narrow platforms.

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Nuevo andén central terminado. Fotos hechas el 11 de enero de 2018 a las 18.30.



Tampoco funcionaba la iluminación y los letreros de las vías seguían cubiertos:










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It's time for an update on the new Vandellòs - Camp de Tarragona line, part of the upgraded Valencia - Barcelona corridor, which will open around June 2018, according to inner sources.
Initially I've thought that this section was supposed to be UIC gauge while rails are clearly set for Iberian gauge. But OK, according to description this section may form new alignment replacing old single track one but in the same time doesn't this corridor have to receive third rail for UIC gauge? So what part of the story I am missing here?
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When it opens, the section between Camp de Tarragona station and Vila-Seca will be in standard gauge. In Vila-Seca two gauge changers have been built, and from there to Vandellòs the line will be in Iberian gauge, replacing the current single-track line along the coast, and thus absorbing all regional and freight trains in Iberian gauge.

In a second phase, once the classic line between Castellbisbal and Vila-Seca is adapted to mixed gauge with a third rail for freight services in standard gauge, the whole line between Vila-Seca and Castellón (including the short branch to Tortosa) will be regauged to standard gauge, without third rail.

While in the past some people and companies had lobbied for mixed gauge on that section, the Spanish authorities have realised that mixed gauge is a mess and they have opted for a complete gauge change, fortunately.
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