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Old December 29th, 2006, 04:17 AM   #21
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These are the diferent models of HST Running in Spain.
Siemens ICE-350.S-103 Velaro

Talgo-350.S-102 Pato (foto SanLucar Playa)

Alstom S-101 (foto Alfonso Gascón Martin)

CAF.S-120.Alvia (foto Alberto Peña)

Talgo S-130

Alstom-Caf S-104
Great trains!

Very fast and very nice!!

Thanks for the photos!
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 02:18 PM   #22
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But ther is a thing I am very worried about. HST are showing up everywhere in spain and that is a great thing. Nevertheless, conventional railways are often being totally abandonned. it shouldn't happen, because HST only call for the cities, and conventional raylways call for the towns and villages.
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:42 PM   #23
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I love this kind of threads, Spain is really developing, that's great news guys
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 10:27 PM   #24
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Spain is really developing? But late. In the rest of Europe the first high velocity lines were constructed 30 years ago. The first european high speed line have been the "Direttissima" Rome-Florenze, in Italy. You will end to them alone in 2020 .
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 10:34 PM   #25
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Spain is really developing? But late. In the rest of Europe the first high velocity lines were constructed 30 years ago. The first european high speed line have been the "Direttissima" Rome-Florenze, in Italy. You will end to them alone in 2020 .
Spain has high speed lines since many years ago ...
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 11:55 AM   #26
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Spain is really developing? But late. In the rest of Europe the first high velocity lines were constructed 30 years ago. The first european high speed line have been the "Direttissima" Rome-Florenze, in Italy. You will end to them alone in 2020 .
How many kilometres of HS lines are there in Italy now?. How many under construction?.

The HSL Madrid-Sevilla (speeds up to 300 km/h) was developted in 1987 and built betwen 1988-1992. 16 years from now.

@Bule:

You forgot the Gec Alsthom S-100 from 1992.

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Old January 3rd, 2007, 06:39 PM   #27
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In a few words, the lines shown in light blue on this map, plus the line between Firenze/Florence and Roma/Rome:

http://bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_italy.php

(new HSL are electrified in 25 kV AC, but the Firenze-Roma opened in the '80 is in 3 kV DC)
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Old January 4th, 2007, 06:09 AM   #28
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SPAIN | Railways

Sorry for the Spanish language, I will edit and translate it into English tomorrow.


This high speed train made by Spanish manufacturer CAF belongs to the 120 series of RENFE (Spanish Railways Company), its commercial name is ALViA, it can reach 250kph.

Nowadays, the ALViA direct trains make the journey from Barcelona to Madrid in 3 hours 55 minutes... Not bad at all for 700 kms.!


Se trata de un tren muy amplio y cómodo, aunque yo le encontré 2 pegas:
1ª) Se menea bastante, sobre todo en la cafetería. Yo creo que es debido a que es un tren muy alto y el centro de gravedad está muy elevado.
2ª) Hace mucho ruido al frenar, a veces molesto.

MY PHOTOS:

001[IMG]http://i18.************/2q898bs.jpg[/IMG]
Alvia 120 estacionado en Barcelona Sants.
002[IMG]http://i12.************/48yzlhh.jpg[/IMG]
Interior de mi coche de clase turista.
003[IMG]http://i1.************/43h9fo3.jpg[/IMG]
Detalle de los asientos.
004[IMG]http://i16.************/40ln8l5.jpg[/IMG]
Detalle de reposapiés y papelera.
005[IMG]http://i10.************/2uz9ik3.jpg[/IMG]
Zona superior.
006[IMG]http://i3.************/47x10g0.jpg[/IMG]
Mesita plegable, con mi Coca Cola de cereza.
007[IMG]http://i13.************/47131fl.jpg[/IMG]
Colgadores para abrigos y chaquetas.
008[IMG]http://i11.************/47mvvib.jpg[/IMG]
Esto no sé lo que es...
009[IMG]http://i18.************/2yn1j4y.jpg[/IMG]
Pasando al coche de clase preferente.
010[IMG]http://i10.************/2e68pd2.jpg[/IMG]
Portaequipajes y asientos de la clase preferente.
011[IMG]http://i14.************/2u4ovps.jpg[/IMG]
Clase preferente y cabina del interventor a la derecha.
012[IMG]http://i16.************/34zc85z.jpg[/IMG]
Mandos para accionar las puertas de acceso.
013[IMG]http://i18.************/2q1xnx2.jpg[/IMG]
Cafetería vista desde la clase preferente.
014[IMG]http://i12.************/400tyjb.jpg[/IMG]
Cafetería vista desde la clase turista.
015[IMG]http://i13.************/3yqp4rl.jpg[/IMG]
Volviendo a la clase turista.
016[IMG]http://i13.************/4hlxclc.jpg[/IMG]
Puerta de acceso a un coche de clase turista.
017[IMG]http://i16.************/3ywvf6e.jpg[/IMG]
Tren fabricado por CAF.
018[IMG]http://i12.************/4c0hbfm.jpg[/IMG]
Indicador interior en clase turista.
019[IMG]http://i14.************/33blumh.jpg[/IMG]
Paramos en ZAZ Delicias y me bajo del tren.
020[IMG]http://i13.************/40ojw2b.jpg[/IMG]
Panel indicador exterior.
021[IMG]http://i3.************/433w8ir.jpg[/IMG]
Acceso exterior a un coche de clase turista.
022[IMG]http://i13.************/2lda7ew.jpg[/IMG]
Portaequipajes superiores en clase turista.
023[IMG]http://i16.************/2a5c8pk.jpg[/IMG]
Último coche del tren, al fondo la cabina.
024[IMG]http://i13.************/44l7h1u.jpg[/IMG]
Panel indicador interior.
025[IMG]http://i18.************/2vwg4uc.jpg[/IMG]
Vista general de mi coche, de clase turista.
026[IMG]http://i16.************/2h3scbn.jpg[/IMG]
Lateral exterior del tren.
027[IMG]http://i10.************/30ikn08.jpg[/IMG]
Detalle exterior de una puerta de clase turista.
028[IMG]http://i14.************/2ngrfnk.jpg[/IMG]
El tren en el que viajé, estacionado en MAD Puerta de Atocha, vía 1.

BONUS EXTRA:

029[IMG]http://i11.************/4i57hg4.jpg[/IMG]
Una sorpresita en Lleida Pirineus.
030[IMG]http://i1.************/46zxl4m.jpg[/IMG]
Dicho ALViA en ZAZ Delicias.
031[IMG]http://i11.************/4dhfg2d.jpg[/IMG]
Panel indicador en ZAZ Delicias.
032[IMG]http://i1.************/3zu72xe.jpg[/IMG]
Otra sorpresilla en ZAZ Delicias.
033[IMG]http://i3.************/4bgghmo.jpg[/IMG]
Interior de la clase turista, a mi regreso.
034[IMG]http://i3.************/33yt5qu.jpg[/IMG]
Estación de Guadalajara Yebes, en medio de la nada.
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Old January 4th, 2007, 08:24 AM   #29
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Great pictures! son bellisimas!
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Old January 4th, 2007, 05:10 PM   #30
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But ther is a thing I am very worried about. HST are showing up everywhere in spain and that is a great thing. Nevertheless, conventional railways are often being totally abandonned. it shouldn't happen, because HST only call for the cities, and conventional raylways call for the towns and villages.
Completely agree with you.

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Spain is really developing? But late. In the rest of Europe the first high velocity lines were constructed 30 years ago. The first european high speed line have been the "Direttissima" Rome-Florenze, in Italy. You will end to them alone in 2020 .
The first spanish HSL was working on 1992. That's 15 years ago. 30 years ago, not even the french had a HSL (maybe only Japan), since the TGV service began on 1981. If you want to consider that Pendolino is High Speed, then ok, but in that case, Talgo Pendular may also be seen as high speed train. I'm fed up with these italians that believe that Italy is still the center of the world, that finished with the Roman Empire. Of course, Spain is not the center of the world at all, and almost nobody in Spain does think that, we are much more humble. I really don't know whatever could have happened if Italy had a dictator during 40 years, like Spain did.
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Old January 4th, 2007, 05:43 PM   #31
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I think this thread should be moved on new railways subsection
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Old January 4th, 2007, 05:56 PM   #32
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In a few words, the lines shown in light blue on this map, plus the line between Firenze/Florence and Roma/Rome:

http://bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_italy.php

(new HSL are electrified in 25 kV AC, but the Firenze-Roma opened in the '80 is in 3 kV DC)
And are all that lines above 200-230kph?

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Old January 4th, 2007, 06:03 PM   #33
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Spain is really developing? But late. In the rest of Europe the first high velocity lines were constructed 30 years ago. The first european high speed line have been the "Direttissima" Rome-Florenze, in Italy. You will end to them alone in 2020 .

I went last summer to Italy and trains were just shameful. I traveled from Rome to Firenze and Peruggia and trains haven't air conditioning and they're from '60
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Old January 4th, 2007, 06:22 PM   #34
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And are all that lines above 200-230kph?
They're 300 kph
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Old January 4th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #35
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And are all that lines above 200-230kph?
In Spain, up to 300kph now, 350kph in December 2007!
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Speaking of Italy, I went there last summer and the most modern trains didn't impress a bit on me. Need I say that the train from Naples arrived 3 hours late to Termini(Rome) and I didn't get my money back? Need I say that it was quite common to see trains arriving late and the stations didn't look very clean, so to say. Nevertheless, I liked being there and I liked the people, so no, I'm not hostile towards Italy or Italians. And yes, Spain's new HSL network is very impressive and the country together with others such as France, Japan, Germany and South Korea will be on the frontline regarding HSL technology.

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Please take a few seconds out of your complaining about the late development of Spanish HSL to remember those countries less fortunate than yourselves. Please spare a thought for us poor souls in Britain who STILL don't have HSL (CTRL is not worth counting) and don't have the prospect of getting it in the forseeable future. We have what, the 6th largest economy in the world... why the hell are we so backward?!? Seriously guys, count your blessings. You've got a great new HSL network that's rapidly expanding.
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Speaking of Italy, I went there last summer and the most modern trains didn't impress a bit on me. Need I say that the train from Naples arrived 3 hours late to Termini(Rome) and I didn't get my money back? Need I say that it was quite common to see trains arriving late and the stations didn't look very clean, so to say. Nevertheless, I liked being there and I liked the people, so no, I'm not hostile towards Italy or Italians. And yes, Spain's new HSL network is very impressive and the country together with others such as France, Japan, Germany and South Korea will be on the frontline regarding HSL technology.

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What are you talking about -- Italy will have many beautiful new HSR stations, new HS trains and is constructing many new lines at the moment...do your homework before putting down Italy..

Any italians here want to show these poor fools what you are developing and what is planned? Please do.
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What are you talking about -- Italy will have many beautiful new HSR stations, new HS trains and is constructing many new lines at the moment...do your homework before putting down Italy..

Any italians here want to show these poor fools what you are developing and what is planned? Please do.
I noticed exactly the same thing when i was in Italy over the last 2 years, the trains are always late, not just by 10 minutes but hours and your seat is often double booked, crazy! The trains seem nice though, but many stop too often, and whats with the food onboard, the country has such beutiful food but the train cafes are worse than mini trolleys in Britain LOL...

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What are you talking about -- Italy will have many beautiful new HSR stations, new HS trains and is constructing many new lines at the moment...do your homework before putting down Italy..

Any italians here want to show these poor fools what you are developing and what is planned? Please do.
"will have" "new" "constructing"

all points for the future, this guy was talking about his past experiences, learn to read before you try and defend something which clearly was a problem in his opinion.

I visited Venice and wasn't impressed on the whole with the city, went to the train station to have a look around, the architecture and overall scale of the place was nice, but it was dirty and the trains were late just as the guy said
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