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Old March 3rd, 2008, 01:03 PM   #461
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The new HSL Line between Madrid and Málaga:


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Old March 3rd, 2008, 06:35 PM   #462
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Málaga Station

Tren Talgo S-102 Pato .Málaga-Cordoba-Madrid.532km. at 300km.p.h maximun speed´.






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Old March 4th, 2008, 01:53 AM   #463
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THX Bule!!!

I Love the Duck!!!
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Old March 4th, 2008, 08:01 AM   #464
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Barcelona's new bullet train takes fight to Iberia

BARCELONA, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Business travellers were impressed with their first taste of a new bullet train between Madrid and Barcelona on Wednesday, highlighting the challenge it poses for Iberia on the airline's heaviest route.

Renfe, the state-run train operator, is hoping to almost double the number of passengers taking the train between Spain's twin business capitals to 6.1 million passengers this year after slashing the journey time by a third to just over 2-1/2 hours.

Passenger Borja Pena-Rich, who owns a building materials firm in Madrid, said the AVE -- which means bird in Spanish but is also an acronym for 'Spanish high speed' -- made better sense than the plane, and from his home in the centre of Madrid to the heart of Barcelona it took about the same time.

"There's not all this getting up and down, getting undressed, that you have with the plane," he said as the train tore across Spain's rugged and empty interior at 300km/hour.

"I have been working for 2-1/2 hours, using the phone and it is much more comfortable. I would take this (train) again."

Pena-Rich said his return ticket, booked the previous day, had cost 180 euros.

Iberia's flexible 'air bridge' service would have cost him just under 400 euros, he said, plus 50 euros he would have spent on taxis from the airport at each end. The same, 'turn up and go ticket' for the train would have cost 326 euros return.

The 7 billion euro train line began operations 16 years after Spain's first AVE began running between Madrid and Seville, Former Socialist Prime Minister Felipe Gonzalez's home town, despite Barcelona hosting the Olympics that year.

But Iberia, which runs 55 percent of the 50-minute flights between Madrid and Barcelona, is not rolling over without a fight.

It points out Renfe only runs 17 trains in each direction every day, some of them slowed by stops in cities like Zaragoza, whereas the airline has promised to continue flying a jet every 15 minutes during peak hours and will use smaller, but not fewer, planes to compensate for a drop in passenger numbers.

It has also just bid for Spanair, its main rival on the route, which would help it minimise any costly price war.

Around 4.8 million people fly between the two cities every year, making it the busiest route in the world. Renfe is hoping to seize 60 percent of the expanded market, according to the Spanish media.

However, Iberia can take heart from one aspect of the inaugural 6 a.m. service: it was only a third full and around half the passengers were journalists.


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Old March 5th, 2008, 05:54 AM   #465
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l don't really like those "ducky" spanish HS trains!!!
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 12:30 AM   #466
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l don't really like those "ducky" spanish HS trains!!!
Why??? They're delicious!!
I know that is a strange design but...we have to change. We couldn't copy France trains another time like in 1992.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 10:12 PM   #467
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I don't like the ducky trains very much neither, but I love the bullet trains! We have both in Spain.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:12 AM   #468
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I love both!
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Old March 25th, 2008, 10:13 PM   #469
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I love everything that goes 300+ km/h
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Old March 30th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #470
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I have a question regarding the new high speed line Perpignan-Figueras.

If this link is about to be completed in 2009 there is still a missing (UIC-gauge) link between Barcelona and Figuras, so the AVE will not be able to run between Barcelona and France until 2012 (Source Wikpedia).
Or are they going to install (temporary) gauge changers and start with S120 and S130 sets (Alvia)

Are such gauge changers expensive to build or to maintain ?
Can they be moved to another location when they become obsolete?
Is this changer the same for S120, S130 and the Talgo changers from several years ago?
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Old April 1st, 2008, 06:41 PM   #471
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I have a question regarding the new high speed line Perpignan-Figueras.

If this link is about to be completed in 2009 there is still a missing (UIC-gauge) link between Barcelona and Figuras, so the AVE will not be able to run between Barcelona and France until 2012 (Source Wikpedia).
Or are they going to install (temporary) gauge changers and start with S120 and S130 sets (Alvia)

Are such gauge changers expensive to build or to maintain ?
No

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Can they be moved to another location when they become
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Is this changer the same for S120, S130 and the Talgo changers from several years ago?
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 12:23 PM   #472
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we still have those old fashion trains here
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Old April 4th, 2008, 07:08 AM   #473
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thanks to.. SSC
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Old April 4th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #474
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Old April 4th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #475
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Old April 4th, 2008, 08:48 PM   #476
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I'm glad you enjoy them

Here is my original post:

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Hoy he hecho un par de HDR, a ver si os gustan :

Un patito...

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... y un Pato

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Para las HDR necesitas una cámara que permita hacer Bracketing (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracketing), los últimos modelos de reflex traen ya este modo. Sino también pudeis hacer la prueba haciendo la chapuzilla de hacer varias copias de una imagen y sub/sobrexponeerlas via gimp/photoshop pero no es lo mismo.

De todas formas la mayoría de las HDR quedan demasiado artificiales y personalmente las dos que has puesto no me terminan de convencer, no así la 440 que has subido a tranvía que te ha quedado impresionante:


Esta es la foto de Bipo a la que me refiero, e increible
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Old April 4th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #477
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oops..

somehow I deleted or took the wrong link to Bipo´s posting.. :

thanks Bipo..!! is what I meant..
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Here have the new trains of variable width for traffics of half distance. They call S-121 and they can circulate to 250km/h on HSL and to 160km/h on conventional railways. The routes for these trains (are rumbles, there is not at all confirmed) will be León-Madrid, Vitoria-Madrid, Jaén-Sevilla,...


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Old April 6th, 2008, 03:56 PM   #479
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Talgo Factory in Las Matas (Madrid)



































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Old April 6th, 2008, 05:48 PM   #480
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They're 300 kph
That' is the maximum speed that the second generation of dual tension ETR500 can reach after a long and slow acceleration on 25Kv.a.c.
The top speed of the Italian High Speed trains , ay leat in the beginging in reveneu services, will arounf o 250Km'h. The new Italian HSLs, (or rather HS/HC Lines) built with the 25Kv. a.c. have a maximum project speed of 300km/h in some section, and 240km/k near Modena and 250 Km/h on sections of the new (yet to be completed) 78.5 km Bologna-Florence ,and on some sections of the Milan-Venice.

On the Direttisima (DD) HSL which is 231 km long + another 20 km on conventional line at both ends (i.e: Florence and Rome) the ER500 travels at a max speed of 220-240km/h on sections of the DD, with only one loco active above 200km/h on the DD.
On Conventional routes the ETR500 travels with the two locos active up to 100km/h.

The "new Italian High Sped record (sic!) was obtained a few days ago, on a section of the new HSL Milan-Bologna, not yet operationa and just completed!!.

Despite the claims of some of my Italian fellows, who irritate and patronize the other members of various forums, the record of 355km/h was obtained :

1) With a slow acceleration from 199 kim/h to 355, which lasted over 10 minutes

2) With one of the two ETR500 used as testing trains, which are of reduced formation of 2 locomotives + 3 carriages and 2 locos + carraiages respectively. It's not yet clear which one of the new test trais were used and on which consist.


The other italians who are writing on this forum, and the Italians who are posting into the Italian section, of this website, maintain that this record was obtained with an ETR500 on normal composition (I.e: 2 locos + 12 carriages), and did not necesstate of modifications, like the French TGVs, which, according to my fellows Italians were moddified to obtain speeds above 500 km/h.

Therefore these Italians maintain that this record is far more significant that the 574.8 Km/h obtained by the French, with a twicked test train.!!!!.

They don't seems to understanda that all world speed records obtaine were done a) by tweaking traina and lines, and b) they are used not only for publicity stunts but also to push the limiti of the technology, and to test new solutions....


The ETR500 made of 2 locos + 8 carriages, reached a speed of about 352 km/h on the newly built section Turin- Milan (85 km of new HSL, opened a few years ago).

On the new Turin_Milan High speed section, at the moment, only 5 pairs of trains are operational on a daily basis.

When the new Turin-Milan - HSL will be completded (125 km of new HSL + 28 km of old line = 153 km) the total journey time from Turin to Milan will be
50-55 minutes.


First of all, from Turin the old 4 track section of about 10-1 km long) will allow a maximum speed of 160 km/h. Then, after about 1o km from Turin, the ETR500 has to slow down to 30km/h to enter into the new High speed section of the Turin- Novara.

Its acceleration is particularly slugghish from 100km/h to 150km/h.

Then, from 150Km/h to reach, for a few seconds, 300Km/h it takes an incredibily long time.

From 100km/h to 300 km/h it takes 50 kilometers.

A Country, like Italy, where medium size towns are at an averge distance of 50-80 kms there is a need of EXTREMELY FAST ACCELERATION.

For High Speed trains which make several intermdiate stops, the Talgo 350 is the best. Alterantively the Italian sould consider the Japanese N700

For long distance High Speed Trains,The Velaro is the best (so far). Probaly it will be superseeded by the AGV 360km/h.

The New train which Trenitalia will buy might not be the AGV 360 . Not an impossibile new, improved version of the ETR500.

The ETR is a failed project. Also it is twice as expensive as the conventional TGV.

It is also to heavy and undepowered. There is no Double Decker version of the ETR500. One ETR500, in a 12 carriage fomation + 2 locos weigh about 660 ton and can carry a bit more than 600 passenger.

A TGV 2N (double decker) weigh about 435 tons and can carry almost 600 passengers.

A TGV 2N can tavel in double formation . The ETR500 cannot.

Even under the 25kv a.c. catenary, where it can develop full power (8,800 kw) and at a reduced formation (2 locos + 8 crriages) it will take about 10 minutes for the ETR500 to reach 300+ km. The French TGV can be regeared by modififying the software - an operation that takes only 3.5 minutes - and then it will be able to draw 8,800 kw X 2 = 17600 kw, for about 50 minutes.

This allow the TGV to reach a speed from 0 km/h the 300+ Km/h mark, in less thant 3 minutes. Not, in ten minutes, like the reduced fromation of the ETR500.

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