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Old November 1st, 2008, 02:50 AM   #581
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it is better you to open a new thread for regular and IC trains

I am still waiting for an e-mail from this forum
On this page you can see most of the spanish electric and diesel Locos.

Just click on the (fichas material)
http://www.wefer.com/kinici-principal.htm
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Old November 1st, 2008, 05:08 PM   #582
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it is better you to open a new thread for regular and IC trains

I am still waiting for an e-mail from this forum
We have one thread:

Conventional rail (Spanish width Iberian)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=672530
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Old November 14th, 2008, 06:28 AM   #583
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Madrid-Barcelona in 6 minutes



A line that looks very si,ilar to the project of high speed line in California. Spain resembles California in terms of both population density and terrain.

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Old November 14th, 2008, 07:25 AM   #584
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Wow, Madrid and Barcelona in 6 minutes. You would not even need to take a seat XD
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Old November 14th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #585
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When the speed will be 350km/h ?
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Old November 14th, 2008, 11:42 AM   #586
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Madrid-Barcelona in 6 minutes



A line that looks very si,ilar to the project of high speed line in California. Spain resembles California in terms of both population density and terrain.

Great videos !!!

The beautiful Guadalajara hidden in the fog.

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When the speed will be 350km/h ?
It may be possible the next year. ADIF is testing the new system to run at 350 km / h
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Old November 15th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #587
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Wow, Madrid and Barcelona in 6 minutes. You would not even need to take a seat XD
With those speeds, I think you need to.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #588
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When the speed will be 350km/h ?
isn't it already?
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Old November 18th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #589
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The speed limit of ERTMS level 1 is 300 km/h, like LZB or KVB.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 02:48 AM   #590
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Nice video of the AVE S:102 and S:100 near 300kmh, passing at the same moment!!





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Old December 17th, 2008, 05:14 AM   #591
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Great, but it is a pity than we cannot see the "crossing"...
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Old December 18th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #592
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The speed limit of ERTMS level 1 is 300 km/h, like LZB or KVB.

The Thing is... when will it increase to 350 km/h? I suspect that next phase has been put off..
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Old December 19th, 2008, 02:22 AM   #593
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Old January 25th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #594
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Since no one has posted any maps of the Spanish HSR constructions around the country, I figure I'd post some so people can get an idea of scale of railway constructions i Spain currently.

First a few maps of the HSR lines connecting Madrid to the mediterranean coast.

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Here is a map of the HSR line between Murcia and Almeria, as one can se they havn't progressed much here yet.

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Now we move a few hundred km to the west and find the Seville-Granada HSR line, partly built by the andalusian govenment partly built by the spanish government.

This is the part built by the spanish governmet, 120km in lenght.
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And this is the part built by the andalusian government, 130km in lenght.
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Now we move northwards to Extremadura, here the construction of the Madrid-Lissabon HSR line have started.
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Further north the construction of the Galician HSR line is ongoing. I couldn't find the oficial map by Fomento but this one will do. Later this year all exept for the blue part in the uppermost left corner will be under construction.

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Further north the construction is well underway on the northernmost section of this ca 400km long HSR line.
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In Galicia itself there is the construction of the Atlantic HSR line.
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No we move to the north of the line Madrid-Valladolid, here the extension of the line will begin construction this year with a few section already begun.

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North of this line they are constructing the new railway line through the asturian mountains wich includes a 25km long tunnel. I have not found a map of that though.


Further west we find the construction of the Basque HSR line.

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In the north east corner of Spain we find the construction of the HSR line to France.

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Other ongoing HSR line constructions i Spain include the Seville-Cadiz and Madrid-Jaen lines of wich I have not found any maps.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 04:31 AM   #595
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It's amazing what you can accomplish when you put your mind to it. I hope politicians in the U.S., and especially California, are reading this thread.
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Very nice compilation Gincan!! Thank you very much!!
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Old January 31st, 2009, 10:31 AM   #597
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What station in Barcelona will the new HSL use?

I think I read something about it being underground, and there was a possibility that it might damage that huge cathedral by Gaudi (I can't remember the name of it)

And what station will be used in Madrid?

More pictures/renders please

Spanish architecture is f*cking hot.
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As far as I know it will service the main station, Barcelona Sants. The controversy about tunnelling underneath (well, almost...) La Sagrada Familia is not related to the railway station itself, but to the prolongation from the station toward the north in order to connect with the French LGV network north of Figueras.

I have a more general question to our Spanish friends. Many of the new projects (e.g. in the Basque country) seem to involve small bits of HSL wedged into classic lines. How is this possible in practice, since as far as I know the classic railway lines in Spain have another gauge width than the new highspeed lines? Are they going to use only variable-gauge trains on these lines?
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Old January 31st, 2009, 04:56 PM   #599
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well, i am not an expert in trains, but most of new HSL in the north will have that mixture of width auge so variable-gauge hig speed trains are now, and will be used...you can see ome pics of those trains posted soe pages before
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What station in Barcelona will the new HSL use?

I think I read something about it being underground, and there was a possibility that it might damage that huge cathedral by Gaudi (I can't remember the name of it)

And what station will be used in Madrid?

More pictures/renders please

Spanish architecture is f*cking hot.
Barcelona Sants and Barcelona Sagrera will both be used, but the most important station will be Sagrera (see location).

Here you have an interesting PDF with renders and maps (2.6 MB): http://prensa.adif.es/ade/u08/GAP/Pr...t%20Andreu.pdf


As for Madrid, Chamartín will be the main stop for HSLs to Castile and Leon, Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria and the Basque Country, while Atocha will serve Castile-La Mancha, Aragon, Catalonia, Valencian Community, Murcia, Andalusia, Extremadura, Navarre and La Rioja. Both stations will be connected through a new tunnel. The map:

[IMG]http://i39.************/3495log.jpg[/IMG]
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Also, as the number of passengers will increase with the construction of the new lines, both stations are being enlarged.

As for Atocha, here you have two PDFs, including renders and maps:
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http://www.madridiario.es/madridiari...20Estacion.pdf

(4.1 MB): http://www.madridiario.es/madridiari...n%20calles.pdf

And some diagrams about Chamartín (1.3 MB): http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/0...sChamartin.pdf



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I have a more general question to our Spanish friends. Many of the new projects (e.g. in the Basque country) seem to involve small bits of HSL wedged into classic lines. How is this possible in practice, since as far as I know the classic railway lines in Spain have another gauge width than the new highspeed lines? Are they going to use only variable-gauge trains on these lines?
Well, obviously the gauge will be changed from Iberian to UIC in those stretches. The same has been done in Galicia on the HSL "Eje Atlántico". The "gauge changers" are too expensive to put lots of them in every line and the trains have to slow down while they pass through them. Therefore it's cheaper to change the rails. Also, there are plans to convert all the Spanish lines to UIC gauge, but I don't think it's done until... 2030?
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