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Old November 27th, 2009, 11:23 AM   #781
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NEWS

According to the economical newspaper "Expansión", Spanish RENFE is in talks with SNCF to by about ten high speed trains valued 300M€. RENFE and SNCF will create a 50/50 joint venture for the high speed line Madrid-Barcelona-Paris (http://www.expansion.com/2009/11/27/...259276920.html, in Spanish).

The Levante rail corridor is going apace (http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/5...4/Nov04_13.pdf, in Spanish). This corridor has about 955km length and 730 km is in construction (i.e., more than 75% of the total). The line between Madrid and Valencia is due to open at the end of 2010 and Madrid-Alicante at the end of 2012.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #782
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This trains will be TGV Dasye.

The joint venture is for any service between Spain and France. The service mainly will be from Barcelona and seasonal services to Madrid, Sevilla/Málaga (I don't think so) and Valencia when comes the HSL from Barcelona.

When the HSL between Madrid and Irún is complete, and the french HSL Atlantique too, it will be services between Basque Country and France.

On the other hand, there are rumors of possible future night services between Madrid / Barcelona-London or Barcelona-Frankfurt.

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:53 PM   #783
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This is fantastic, i didnt realize the times could get so much lower
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 08:14 PM   #784
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from http://forotrenes.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6726

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:18 PM   #785
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Old December 4th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #786
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Ran into an animal?
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Old December 4th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #787
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Now it's now only the planes who risk bird collision. Hope environwackos don't start a campaing "lower the speed and save a bird".
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 03:52 PM   #788
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I see there was snow in Spain these past few days too.

Does anyone know if the change in temperature going into long tunnels caused any of the AVEs to fail?
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 04:49 PM   #789
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Now it's now only the planes who risk bird collision. Hope environwackos don't start a campaing "lower the speed and save a bird".
The ICE Berlin-Wolfsburg decelerates from 250 to 200 km when passing a nature reserve for a rare bird species ("Trappen", do not ask me the name in English), and the line has artificial hills here for the birds, who usually do not fly very high, to pass the rails more easily. Originally, the state government had demanded that the trains pass the reserve by a tunnel. However, the bird population has remained steady despite fearrs to the contrary.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 05:47 PM   #790
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I´m not sure why there was some vulture on the tracks, maybe a dead animal attract them.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 06:04 PM   #791
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The ICE Berlin-Wolfsburg decelerates from 250 to 200 km when passing a nature reserve for a rare bird species ("Trappen", do not ask me the name in English)
It's "bustards", actually.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 08:34 PM   #792
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I see there was snow in Spain these past few days too.

Does anyone know if the change in temperature going into long tunnels caused any of the AVEs to fail?
Nothing has been reported, but the Malaga, Barcelona and Seville line were closed yesterday for some hours due to heavy snow.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 08:41 PM   #793
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I see there was snow in Spain these past few days too.

Does anyone know if the change in temperature going into long tunnels caused any of the AVEs to fail?
No, only the S130 have trouble with ice when change the gauge.

also from spanish forum :
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LAV Madrid-Barcelona:

Velocidades máximas:

Madrid Puerta de Atocha- Km. 1.050 = 30 Km/h
Km. 1.050-Km. 1.473= 60 Km/h
Km. 1.473-Km. 2.800 = 90 Km/h
(Hay una limitación permanente entre los Kms. 1.060 a 2.500 que afecta a trenes que circulen sin el amparo del BCA (LZB))
Km. 2.800- Km. 4.725 = 140 Km/h
Km. 4.725- Km. 5.631 = Trenes tipo A 165 Km/h y Tipo B 180 Km/h
(Hay una limitación permanente entre los Kms. 2.800 a 4.400 que afecta a trenes que circulen sin el amparo del BCA (LZB))
Km. 5.631- Km. 11.590 = 240 km/h
Km.11.590- 583.639= 300 Km/h

Se encuentran varias limitaciones de velocidad permanentes a lo largo del recorrido:

Kms. 16.806 al 23.580 = 280 km/h
Túneles Kms. 200.700 al 203.133 = 290 km/h
Túneles Kms. 227.272 al 232.065 = 280 Km/h
Túnel Kms. 403.263 al 406.538 = 280 Km/h
Túnel Kms. 500.937 al 503.069 = 275 Km/h
Hasta que se actualizase el ERMTS existían las siguientes limitaciones:
Curva entre PP.KK. 531.353 al 533.019 = 245 km/h
Trazado entre PP.KK. 533.019 al 533.194 = 200 km/h
Curva entre PP.KK. 533.194 al 534.023 = 245 km/h

Kms. 583. 639 al 591.865 = 245 km/h
Km. 591.865 hasta San Vicenç dels Horts = 225 Km/h
San Vicenç dels Horts hasta km. 607.225 = 200 Km/h
Km. 607.225 hasta El Prat de Llobregat= 170 Km/h
El Prat de Llobregat al Km. 614.997 = 135 Km/h
Kms. 614.997 a 618.069 = 110 Km/h
Km. 618.069 a Barcelona-Sants = 85 km/h

Existen dos limitaciones de velocidad permanentes:

Kms. 619.933 al 620.234 = 60 km/h
Kms. 620.234 al 621.00 = 40 Km/h
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:47 PM   #794
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So I posted some maps a year ago showing the constructions around spain (post 575 to be precise), here are a few of them updated showing the progress.

First the HSR to Murcia and a video in english about the construction of the line http://video.adif.es/video/iLyROoafIGgF.html

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And the Murcia-Almeria HSR line.

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The HSR line to Granada.

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The Madrid-Portugese border (Lisbon) HSR line.

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The Madrid-Galicia HSR line.

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The extension of the Madrid-Valladolid line towards the basque country.

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Old December 25th, 2009, 01:17 PM   #795
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Thanks Gincan, could you translate the key? Is Obras under construction?
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Old December 25th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #796
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Obras - under construction
En Servicio - in service
Projecto - planned
Líneas Atuales - existing lines
Licitado - contracted, construction not yet started
Em licitação - in bid process
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Old January 9th, 2010, 11:10 PM   #797
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The ICE Berlin-Wolfsburg decelerates from 250 to 200 km when passing a nature reserve for a rare bird species ("Trappen", do not ask me the name in English), and the line has artificial hills here for the birds, who usually do not fly very high, to pass the rails more easily. Originally, the state government had demanded that the trains pass the reserve by a tunnel. However, the bird population has remained steady despite fearrs to the contrary.
The environmentals always overreact, on the new line between Madrid and Valencia they had to build a 2,5 km long tunnel under a nature reserve. During the constructions a cave-in occured and they had to repair the tunnel from the outside. The environmentals went bonkers and wrote this absurd complain to the european parliament.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...WQ&secondRef=0
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Old January 10th, 2010, 02:33 AM   #798
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for a rare bird species ("Trappen", do not ask me the name in English)
"Trappen" are in English Great Bustards.



These birds are very rare. They weigh up to 18 kg and are about 1 m tall.

Because of the weight the birds fly nearly straight ahead after starting. Dams along the line and special low profile catenary poles help the birds to cross the line. see also here in the section "Crossing of Trapp protected Havelländische Luch".


Section of the line with dams and special low profile catenary poles. This design makes it easier for the Great Bustards to change the side of the line.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 09:15 PM   #799
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New version of Pacopaco´s mapa de infraestructuras ferroviarias :




More information and download:

http://www.urbanity.es/foro/infraest...espana-39.html
http://www.pacopaco.es/
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:20 PM   #800
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Renfe AVE designs a 'low cost system' to dominate transport in Spain

(http://www.expansion.com/2010/01/20/...264027646.html)

Graph-> http://www.expansion.com/muestra_fot...9013c6afef9fb0

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Renfe wants to go further in their plans to convert the high speed train in a kind of hegemonic in Spain. The new challenge of the railway operator is offering low rates to attract customers today which do not travel in the AVE by high prices.

To achieve this, Renfe will prevail in the specifications for the purchase of ten new high-speed devices of high-capacity models (over 500 passengers) and offer the lowest cost per seat as possible, as explained yesterday Abelardo Carrillo, director general high-speed, long distance RENFE.

"This requirement is a form of getting cheaper tickets and allow everyone access to high speed. We are betting on a new philosophy within RENFE to make it more accessible," said Carrillo.

50% of the operating costs of a line are related to the amortization of trains and their funding, so to achieve that goal RENFE wants the most competitive price. With lower costs to cover, rates may be reduced. Currently, the largest model Renfe train can carry up to 400 people.

Madrid-Barcelona Corridor
The trains are designed to meet the future high-speed corridor between Madrid and Paris, with stops in Barcelona and Lyon in 2012 at the conclusion of the tunnel construction of the AVE for this city and the railway to the French border. But Carrillo opened the door to their exploitation in the remaining lines of HSR RENFE.

The specification also requires that the trains can move both in Spain and in the high-speed network in France and have a top speed above 300 km for now.

The contest, which kicks off today with its publication in the RENFE website and the BOE, will be resolved before next summer. Manufacturers must submit their bids before the end of April. The low cost project will allow trains to support RENFE growth between Madrid and Barcelona, the major transport corridor of Spain and which last year reached a market share of 47.6%. RENFE transported 2.67 million passengers compared to 2.93 million by the plane.

In the third quarter and in December, RENFE clearly exceeded the aircraft, but airlines are fiercely beating for not losing control of the route (Iberia in November reduced the prices of its air shuttle service to 35%). The largest Spanish airline controls a 25% share and 1.4 million customers.

The industry believes that the rail giant Siemens, Alstom, Talgo and Bombardier will present to the new competition. RENFE also hopes that, for the first time, fight for the contract also Asian firms. RENFE requires the winner manufactures 20% of trains in Spain.

In addition, the operator is in talks with the French public operator SNCF to be a partner in the operation of the corridor between Madrid and Paris.

RENFE plans to launch new high-speed lines, starting with the Madrid-Valencia in 2010, after completion of the work that develops Adif. In the future, there will be AVE Galicia and Basque Country.

The new philosophy of the operator

- The new challenge of the operator is to offer customers low rates today are not raised by their board the AVE high prices.

- To achieve this, Renfe will prevail in the specifications for the purchase of ten new high-speed trains of high-capacity models with more than 500 passengers and offer the lowest cost per seat as possible.

- The trains are designed to cover the corridor between Madrid and Barcelona with stops in Paris and Lyon in 2012 at the conclusion of the tunnel construction of the AVE for this city and the railway to the French border.

- The specification also requires that the trains can move both in Spain and in the high-speed network in France and have a top speed above 300 km for now.

- The competition, which begins today with its publication in the Renfe website and the BOE, will be resolved before next summer and manufacturers must submit bids by the end of April.

- The trains 'low cost' enable Renfe support its growth between Madrid and Barcelona, the major transport corridor of Spain and which last year reached a market share of 47.6%.
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