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Old December 14th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #1041
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Something that affects (negativelly) the French network a lot is the fact there are 4 different departure stations of HST services in Paris, making connections way harder without the use of cramped Métro or RER. This makes, for instance, less attractive connections between Eurostar and any other HST service.

I guess Spainish network will be way better in that aspect.
Madrid has and will have only 2 departure stations: North (Chamartín) and South (Atocha).

Some people say that it should have more stations, but I think is better with two, and one of the reasons is what you have said: it is easier and faster to move between both stations, now you can do it by Metro or by Train in a pretty fast way. Also, the more number of stations, the more costs you have.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #1042
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Which platforms will lead into the new tunnel between Atocha and Chamartin? and what does that art piece means? seems a big baby head
The new tunnel will finish at a new subterranean station under Atocha. This station will have four plataforms.

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Well, Bilbao and A Coruña are not amongst the biggest cities in Spain, but their Metro Area are.

Cities linked with Madrid by high speed trains

Under construction


Spain's largest cities

Rank City Population

Main cities
Pos. City Region Prov. population
1 Madrid 3,213,271
2 Barcelona 1,615,908
3 Valencia 810,064
4 Seville 703.206
5 Zaragoza 699.240
6 Málaga 566,447

7 Murcia 430,571 (under construction and project)
8 Palma de Mallorca 401,570 (Island)
9 Las Palmas de G.C. 381,723 (Island)
(project)
10 Bilbao 353,34 (under construction and project)
11 Valladolid 317,000
12 Córdoba 307,000
13 Vigo 287,000 (under construction and project)
14 Alicante 272,000
15 Gijón 264,000 (under construction and project)
16 Hospitalet de Llobregat 255,000 (Barcelona Metropolitan Area)
17 Granada 242,000 (under construction, only few km project)
18 La Coruña 241,000 (under construction and project))
19 Vitoria-Gasteiz 215,000 (under construction and project)
20 Badalona 210,000 (Barcelona Metro Area)
21 Santa Cruzde (Tenerife) 203,000 (Island)
22 Oviedo 199,000 (under construction and project)
23 Móstoles 196,000 (Madrid Metro Area)
24 Elche 191,000 (Alicante Metro Area)
25 Sabadell 186,000 (Barcelona Metro Area)
26 Santander 183,000 (project)
27 Jérez de la Frontera 182,000
28 San Sebastián 177,000 (under construction and project)
29 Leganés 175,000 (Madrid Metro Area)
30 Almería 170,000 (under construction and project)
31 Cartagena 170,000
32 Tarrasa 164,000 (Barcelona Metro Area)
33 Alcaláde Henares 163,000 (Madrid Metro Area)
34 Fuenlabrada 163,000 (Madrid Metro Area)
35 Pamplona 163,000 (project)
36 Burgos 162,000 (under construction)
37 Salamanca 158,000 (project)
38 Albacete 146,000
39 León 144,000 (under construction)
40 Getafe 143,000 (Madrid metro area)
41 Alcorcón 141,000 (Madrid Metro Area)

42 Cádiz 141,000
43 Huelva 140,000 (under construction and ¿project?)
44 Castellón de la Plana 136,000
45 Badajoz 124,000
46 Logroño 124,000 (¿under construction? and project)
47 Santa Coloma de Gramanet 123,000 (Barcelona Metro Area)
48 La Laguna 122,000 (Island, Santa Cruz de Tenerife metro area)

49 Lleida 111,000
50 Tarragona 111,000
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Old December 14th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #1043
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Madrid has and will have only 2 departure stations: North (Chamartín) and South (Atocha).

Some people say that it should have more stations, but I think is better with two, and one of the reasons is what you have said: it is easier and faster to move between both stations, now you can do it by Metro or by Train in a pretty fast way. Also, the more number of statiots, the more costs you have.
Further, a new HS tunnel is being built between them so the trains will be able to stop in both stations.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #1044
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Something that affects (negativelly) the French network a lot is the fact there are 4 different departure stations of HST services in Paris, making connections way harder without the use of cramped Métro or RER. This makes, for instance, less attractive connections between Eurostar and any other HST service.

I guess Spainish network will be way better in that aspect.
Yeah that is more direct destinations will attract more competitors running trains, I personally can´t wait to see that.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #1045
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may you dare to explain how is building train stations and returning illegal aliens to their homeland xenophobic and racist?
emmm. aliens??

and you don't need talk about illegal inmigrants just because there is one guy saying wrong and funny things...

lot of spanish people was illegal in the past century in a lot of countries, so you must respect illegal inmigrants
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Old December 15th, 2010, 01:41 AM   #1046
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emmm. aliens??

and you don't need talk about illegal inmigrants just because there is one guy saying wrong and funny things...

lot of spanish people was illegal in the past century in a lot of countries, so you must respect illegal inmigrants
That´s just the proper legal term in english for a foreigner living in any country without citizenship or legaly.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)

i guess you own me now an apology for calling me what you just did, don´t you?

On the other hand, the "illegal aliens" on the pic i posted are nothing but the privates from the Moroccan Royal Army who were removed by the spanish army from Perejil Island. So as you can see, i was just kidding him too about that situation and not about the illegal inmigrants in general.

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Old December 15th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #1047
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an infography (in spanish) of the Madrid-Valencia HSR line


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Old December 15th, 2010, 10:57 AM   #1048
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Se han flipado un poco en el dato de longitud estimada de la línea, no?
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Old December 15th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #1049
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Esa longitud es la longitud total de la línea Madrid-Levante de la cuál forma parte el tramo Madrid-Valencia.

That length is the total length of the Madrid-Levante line which the stretch Madrid-Valencia belong to.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #1050
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will trains run at 350 or is that just a projection?
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Old December 16th, 2010, 09:39 PM   #1051
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That´s just the proper legal term in english for a foreigner living in any country without citizenship or legaly.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(law)

i guess you own me now an apology for calling me what you just did, don´t you?

On the other hand, the "illegal aliens" on the pic i posted are nothing but the privates from the Moroccan Royal Army who were removed by the spanish army from Perejil Island. So as you can see, i was just kidding him too about that situation and not about the illegal inmigrants in general.
ok, I apologize, I was wrong and didn't your words correctly :/

but, I belong without understand why you wrote about perejil...
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Old December 17th, 2010, 12:46 AM   #1052
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will trains run at 350 or is that just a projection?
Yes, the trains will be able to run at 350 kph since Sunday, althought I think the timetables are made with a maximum speed of 300kph... but if the train is late, they have 50kph more to save time. Some studies says that the energy consumption increased by an exponential function, so it's not worth at all travel at 350 kph... If that's true I hope engineers will find a solution for that as soon as possible.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #1053
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Some studies says that the energy consumption increased by an exponential function, so it's not worth at all travel at 350 kph... If that's true I hope engineers will find a solution for that as soon as possible.
Energy consumption is dictated by the power needed to overcome two main forces: track attrition and air resistance. There is nothing much to do in regard of moving the trains on tracks, however about 120-150km/h almost all increase in energy use is due to increased air resistance.

It's just physics of fluid displacements, and I think it is quite hard to "find a solution" for that We should just accept very-high-speed-trains are not energy efficient, and charge more for their fares if we want that extra speed.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #1054
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Meanwhile, the stretch of the LAV Levante between Madrid and Albacete has been inaugurated by the Crown prince and princess. Tomorrow the stretch to Valencia will follow. More information

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Old December 18th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #1055
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More about the new high speed rail line Madrid-Valencia























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Old December 19th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #1056
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I was expecting a lot more info on this thread after the opening of such an important new line. Hopefully there will be more in the days to come.
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Old December 19th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #1057
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The use of the term "alien" as a reference of living extraterrestrial being is derived exactly for the notion of foreigner.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 05:05 AM   #1058
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The Spanish HSR network is definitely one of the most impressive ones in the world right now, but what I don't get are the low frequencies. I mean you spend billions on new lines and then you only run 15 daily trains each way (Madrid-Valencia) on them. That makes no sense. Isn't there at least a demand for a train every 20-30 minutes throughout the day?
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Old December 20th, 2010, 06:26 AM   #1059
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The Spanish HSR network is definitely one of the most impressive ones in the world right now, but what I don't get are the low frequencies. I mean you spend billions on new lines and then you only run 15 daily trains each way (Madrid-Valencia) on them. That makes no sense. Isn't there at least a demand for a train every 20-30 minutes throughout the day?
The Spanish model I am guessing goes for a maximum profit by charging higher ticket prices and taking lower ridership. The French by contrast use a low fares, high ridership, and still make a profit.
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We need to wait a couple years. New train services take time to catch up.
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