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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:42 PM   #1061
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It's kind of hard to debate this without having better stats on profits, but on the face of it the French model looks a lot better doesn't it? Smaller cost means that there is added incentive for people to travel on trains and therefore truly reduce the carbon emissions from other means of transport. Also, since AVE's goal is to try to unify more a country that is really divided among cultural lines, wouldn't you want to promote more travel through lower cost. Also, if the elasticity of demand is high enough than the chances are that you make a better profit.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #1062
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Figueras - Perpignan HSL opening I

Pics by me. December 19, 2010.

Early morning I take the "Media Distancia" train from Barcelona El Clot-Aragó (7.55) destination Figueras (9.39). The same train model called "Alvia", but, more expensive, guarantees international connections at the same HSR Station of Figueras Vilafant. The train that I take stops at Figueres "conventional" station, 30 minutes walking from the new.



The S449 "Media Distancia" train is a regional service new train with some goodies like Vending Machine, low floor for disabled people, 220V connection, table and monitor information onboard. Space on seat was good.







But the monitor information was off Typical spanish!


The colored windows do not permit taking good pictures of the landscape.


The train was empty. I brought something to read, with the Japan Rail Fan Magazine recall my trips to Japan, the railroad paradise.
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And the "Yearslightment" power, the SOS-Dan leader and green tea


Arriving at Llinars del Vallès, works on the conventional line (?) forces a stupid stop for a few minutes. No train forward, nothing happens. Close to the station, the HSL bridge.




Here Maçanet-Massanes. Northbound for "Cercanías" R1 and R2 lines. HSL is over there but never have any connection.



From Girona to Figueras, conventional track was to bad, the semaphoric system was down and the train runs slowly. Here over the Onyar River.




Red light on semaphores.


Arriving at Figueras, here is the branch to conect the conventional line with the new HSR Figueras-Vilafant Station.




Ten minutes later than planned, our train arrives at the Figueres Station. Continue to Portbou.

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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:52 PM   #1063
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Figueras - Perpignan HSL opening II

Figueras-Vilafant HSR Station was on the oposite of Figueras Station. You need 30 minutes walking or go by bus or taxi. We prefer walking.






TV3, Catalonia Television preparing LIVE coverage.


Inside the station building.




On ticket's sale place. Don't have Renfe timetables, but SNCF put a lot of information





Station's "bar"


Waiting area.


We went with the SNCF ticket printed at home. In the checkpoint had not Renfe-Adif staff, Security Guard only looked at the ticket you and made you go through the baggage scanner. Seeing the SNCF ticket were left puzzled face, I told you it was a ticket "of the French railways" and said, "ah, is that I had not ever seen, and is in another language" (not spanish)

Passing the checkpoint area. A long corridor connects with stairs and lift to the single platform.






Information panels are only in Spanish, Catalan and English. It's stupid not to find information in French.

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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #1064
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Figueras - Perpignan HSL opening III

And now, the platform. Here is a 8 cars TGV Duplex bound for Paris Gare de Lyon.


Let's see what is inside. Is it like a E4 MAX?


Unfortunately not. The stupid European politics, with trains and platforms of different heights do not allow a good entrance to the train. [E4 MAX 1 - 0 TGV]




The interior is a bit tight but not overwhelming.




The seats have a chaotic distribution. Can not change to go in the direction of travel. [E4 MAX 2 - 0 TGV]






Back on the platform. Let's see the distribution of the tracks. At the northbound, the TGV is waiting in the track 3 (UIC), track 5, on the other side of the platform was an Iberian Gauge. Close the track 5, and extra UIC track.




Southbound. Main tracks. At the other end, a platform without service. The final station will be located at the bottom of the image.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #1065
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Figueras - Perpignan HSL opening IV

Arrival from Barcelona "ALVIA" which serves international connection. The train was the same S449 that I went from Barcelona but more expensive.


Southbound of TGV and S449 "ALVIA".






SNCF and Renfe staff.


First class on the TGV. The window was broken by ice because of bad weather in central Europe.




Information on the platform.






Many media





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Old December 20th, 2010, 02:55 PM   #1066
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Figueras - Perpignan HSL opening V

Onboard the TGV, on Spanish territory.


Passing Perthus Tunnel (8,300 m), La France!


SNCF interventors were very friendly and helpful.


Arriving the center of the world.


We waited five minutes at the station entrance. The TGV had to be coupled with another train. Finally, coupling was in the same station, it was stupid. Best the Mini-Shinkansen solution!




Ten minutes later, departs to Paris Gare de Lyon...


Perpignan Station random pics.










The new station isn't completed. We have to use the old station hall. It's very nice. As Salvador Dali said, "the center of the world".




Many people who went to the first TGV Figueras - Paris, returned to Spain with the first train Paris - Figueras.





... but we prefer to make a trip to the past. It was early. We decided to go in historic Yellow Train to Puigcerdà and return to Barcelona via Ribes de Fresser and Vic.

Bye!

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Old December 20th, 2010, 03:38 PM   #1067
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How many stupid things
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Old December 20th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #1068
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Pics by me. December 19, 2010.
Thanks for the great report!
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Old December 20th, 2010, 04:04 PM   #1069
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Security Guard only looked at the ticket you and made you go through the baggage scanner.
Odd that you manage to point out "stupid" things like seats that can't be turned (which no TGV has btw...) or mismatching platform/train floor levels, but entirely miss the pointlessness of this security theatre...
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Old December 20th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #1070
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This is the most important HS train line opened in Spain in the history, and not the link from Madrid to Valencia. Surprisingly, all important and main politicians went to the opening of the domestic line, but only the major of Figueres went to the opening of the HS international line.
Spain is different...

And one more remark: the train from Barcelona to Figueres Vilafant station was a "Media Distancia" and not and "Alvia". No comments...
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Old December 20th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #1071
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This is the most important HS train line opened in Spain in the history, and not the link from Madrid to Valencia. Surprisingly, all important and main politicians went to the opening of the domestic line, but only the major of Figueres went to the opening of the HS international line.
Spain is different...
This is ridiculous.

Of course the new HSL from Madrid to Valencia was more important.
It´s a link between the national capital and the third most important city in Spain.

How come can you consider it less important than the opening of a small sector of a yet-unfinished line that will run from Barcelona to nowh... Perpignan in Southern France?

It will only be really important the day the French will build THEIR part of the line till Nimes. Until then, it will work, but it will also be rather worthless.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 06:55 PM   #1072
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This is ridiculous.

Of course the new HSL from Madrid to Valencia was more important.
It´s a link between the national capital and the third most important city in Spain.

How come can you consider it less important than the opening of a small sector of a yet-unfinished line that will run from Barcelona to nowh... Perpignan in Southern France?

It will only be really important the day the French will build THEIR part of the line till Nimes. Until then, it will work, but it will also be rather worthless.
Well eh, the Madrid-Valencia line is very important if you want to fish for votes, especially if your name is Zapatero.

However, the first ever international railconnection without gauge change will probably be several times more important for the economical development for Spain.

For the first time ever it actually makes sense to run cross border freight-trains. Once and when the coastal rail line is built all the way down to Almeria it will probably bring more economical development to Spain than ALL the other rail lines on the Iberian peninsual together.

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Old December 20th, 2010, 07:26 PM   #1073
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This is ridiculous.

Of course the new HSL from Madrid to Valencia was more important.
It´s a link between the national capital and the third most important city in Spain.

How come can you consider it less important than the opening of a small sector of a yet-unfinished line that will run from Barcelona to nowh... Perpignan in Southern France?

It will only be really important the day the French will build THEIR part of the line till Nimes. Until then, it will work, but it will also be rather worthless.
Pardon me?
The 1st UIC train connection for Spain in the history, and you say "ridiculous"? You must be joking...
Spain is different! LOL
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Well eh, the Madrid-Valencia line is very important if you want to fish for votes, especially if your name is Zapatero.

However, the first ever international railconnection without gauge change will probably be several times more important for the economical development for Spain.

For the first time ever it actually makes sense to run cross border freight-trains. Once and when the coastal rail line is built all the way down to Almeria it will probably bring more economical development to Spain than ALL the other rail lines on the Iberian peninsual together.
I agree!
I was meaning all this.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #1074
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some pics of the new station in CUENCA, part of the new HSR line Madrid-Levante

Cuenca Station









images from:

VIDEO DE ADIF sobre Estación de Cuenca-Fernando Zóbel

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Old December 20th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #1075
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Isn't there at least a demand for a train every 20-30 minutes throughout the day?
There may be, but as trains are often too expensive a lot of people still use the road (car or bus) or the air. After a depense of billions it would be more honest to allow also poorer people to use the train...

Anyway there is a certain number of underused infrastructures in Spain...like a new motorway with 2.000 vehicles per day (AP7 Cartaena-Almeria, that's my favourite example - usually a motorway isn't justified for less than 20.000 vehicles).
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and another infography (in spanish) about the new line:

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Pardon me?
The 1st UIC train connection for Spain in the history, and you say "ridiculous"? You must be joking...
Spain is different! LOL
What I´m calling ridiculous is this attitude of complaining about no authorities being there for the opening of that mini-stretch when they were opening an entire line which will, in the immediate term, play a vital role for the Spanish economy and transports.

That Figueres to Perpignan international stretch is only 44km long.
It will one day have an interest when the French build their part of the line, and when Spain will finish the line between Barcelona and Figueres, but that could still be avoided if works stopped to save money for the economy...

Spain has certainly better things to do than listening to Barcelona´s CONSTANT, NIGHTMARISH political tantrums for all to hear about the rest of the planet not letting it be the centre of the entire universe, which, like every other normal person fully well knows, IT IS NOT.

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some pics of the new station in CUENCA, part of the new HSR line Madrid-Levante

Cuenca Station









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VIDEO DE ADIF sobre Estación de Cuenca-Fernando Zóbel

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What I´m calling ridiculous is this attitude of complaining about no authorities being there for the opening of that mini-stretch when they were opening an entire line which will, in the immediate term, play a vital role for the Spanish economy and transports.

That Figueres to Perpignan international stretch is only 44km long.
It will one day have an interest when the French build their part of the line, and when Spain will finish the line between Barcelona and Figueres, but that could still be avoided if works stopped to save money for the economy...

Spain has certainly better things to do than listening to Barcelona´s CONSTANT, NIGHTMARISH political tantrums for all to hear about the rest of the planet not letting it be the centre of the entire universe, which, like every other normal person fully well knows, IT IS NOT.
For politicians and passengers, the Madrid-Valencia HSL is the most important opening.

But for rail transport in Spain, the first standard gauge railway entering the Iberian Peninsula ever is far more important. The most important train will be a freight though, not that TGV.
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pictures of the Albacete Station in the new HSR line Madrid-Levante







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