SPAIN | Railways

[frozen]

Es realmente fantástico y espectacular!!!

[DonQui]

sexy train.

[arriaca]

El martes pasado, en una de mis habituales escapadas a Sevilla tuve la oportunidad de asistir a uno de los primeros viajes del reformado S100. No circulaba en servicio comercial, como parecían apuntar las distintas notas de prensa, y debía de tener todavía los asientos calientes tras su presentación a los medios esa misma mañana en los talleres de la Sagra.

Como para gustos los colores, decir que es muy discreto el cambio que han realizado. Un tren que creo que está envejeciendo muy bien, y al que únicamente le han cambiado exteriormente los logos y la raya azul por la pantone. Podrían haber aprovechado y pintarle también de negro los espacios entre ventanas, como su hermano el pato. Pero aún así creo que la actuación ha sido muy acertada.


Ave S 100 original y reformado



Saliendo ya de la estación con destino Madrid









Interiores de los coches de clase turista. Gracias al túnel pude sacar estas fotos, aunque no sean muy claras se puede intuir la tapicería y las lámparas de las mesas de leds





Una de las partes técnicas más bonitas del tren, a imagen del talgo, boje común para dos coches



Y ya por último la familia AVE sevillana al completo, con las lanzaderas S104 de Córdoba en la vía derecha.

[frozen]

Muchas gracias por las fotos. Me encanta el cambio del azul por el morado, parece más elegante. Ese modelo es tecnología española 100%?

[JoKo65]

No, es técnica francesa.

[sdf11]

Técnica española:

Talgo 350 / AVE S 102:


CAF "BRAVA" / AVE S 120 (comercial name: Renfe Alvia)



Los otros AVE son:
uno de técnica francesa (S 100/S 101) los de las últimas fotos, derivada directamente del TGV.

Y el otro ( AVE S 103 o Velaro) es una evolución del ICE 3 Alemán, pero con una vel. max. de 350 km/h, convirtiendose así en el tren más rápido del mundo.

P.D. Recordad que actualmente el AVE S 103 es el tren en composicion "comercial" más rápido del mundo con 404 km/h en un tramo de la nueva HSL Mad-Bcn (el TGV logra grandes "records" pero con trenes modificados explicitamente para ello, por lo que no deberia ser el tren comercial más rápido del mundo como parece que quieren decirnos o como así lo piensa la gente de a pié, sino el "convoy sobre railes" mas rápido del mundo).

[Bitxofo]

Originally Posted by JoKo65

No, es técnica francesa.

Tecnología, no técnica, francesa sólo para el AVE 100 made in 1991.

Only French technology for AVE 100 series made in 1991.

[arriaca]

Otros detalles un pelín puntillosos es que S 120 no se llama Brava, puesto que Brava es el nombre que se le dio al boje de ancho variable. Y que el S103 es el tren más rápido en servicio comercial.

Saludos

[sdf11]

Brava no solo es el bogie sino que tambien es como llaman al proyecto en conjunto (al tren en si) dentro de la propia CAF; todo esto lo encontre en internet aunque si sabes cual es el verdadero nombre del proyecto dentro de CAF deberias decirnoslo

A que velocidad va en ICE3 en servicio comercial?

[JoKo65]

Originally Posted by sdf11

A que velocidad va en ICE3 en servicio comercial?

300 km/h.

330 km/h son possible.

[Cicerón]

I think we should write in English here

[arriaca]

I think is better use Renfe names (S120 (Caf) and S103 (Siemens))

[sdf11]

Yes, it's more clearly for all

Sorry for speak spanish in the internacional forum...

[growingup]

Here are some videos from the Spanish HST (AVE) and RENFE.
Renfe services' spot:
(Translation: "Get on-board, on technology, on safety, on words. Get on-board when you want to enjoy your trip or not to lose a minute. Get on-board with all you want us to take and what you need us to bring. Get on a train which takes care of the landscapes it travels through, a train which has a commitment with the world you live in, a train that comes from far away and still goes further away. Renfe, travelling to future. Do you want to get on-board?")

Renfe's AVE Spot:
(Translation: "Machines are made by men. Machines are what men do with them. Travelling to future. Do you want to get on-board?")

A Talgo 350 S-102(Duck) leaving from station:

Some Talgo 350 S-102 and Siemens Velaro (An evolution of ICE-3) S-103 which will be used in new HSL. Madrid-Barcelona will top 400km/h (average 350km/h) thanks to the S-103, being the fastest commercial line when running at full speed in 2008:

First AVEs ALSTOM S-100 (derived from TGV Atlantique) reforms. They have been running since 1992 between Madrid and Seville. It tops 300km/h:

And the Corporate video from Siemens of its new Velaro S-103:

I hope you enjoy them

[arriaca]

Originally Posted by sdf11

Yes, it's more clearly for all

Sorry for speak spanish in the internacional forum...

[sotavento]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

- HSL in service (blue)
- HSL under construction (dark green)
- HSL in planning (yellow)
- improvements works on an existing line (light green)
- projected improvements (orange)
- existing line (black)



Again, that's not all HSL.

Anyway, the Pendolino tilting train (as the ETR 600) was developed by Fiat:

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Originally Posted by oduguy1999

alot of people tend to forget that Spain has a trillion dollar economy and should be part of the G8. Most EU money goes to the poorer regions of Spain like Andalucia and Extremadura. Madrid, as well as Barcelona, is one of the wealthiest cities in europe and has one of the highest GDPs. Spain is very mountainous and most these projects are more difficult to build then in other flat nations. Spain has made a concerted effort to connect all their densely populated cities and they seem to plan and carry out their plans very effeciently(unlike many other nations). Spain has come a long way from the days of when it was under the rule of the tyrranical dictator Franco. But it has managed to show a great deal of resolve and ingenuity. I do agree, I do feel there are alot of jealous forumers from other nations that critique Spain. Maybe they should stop being jealous and look at that innovative thinking that the Spaniards bring forth.

Not quite right ... Spain has 6 times size of portugal ... 4 times the population ... and only 2 times the GDP per capita of portugal.

Spain basicaly is a lot os nowhere (centered in madrid) with almost all populated places located on the shores ... and half a dosen major cities in between.

Spanish High speed Network is basicaly some RADIAL 350km/h lines (basicaly new lines along existing ones wich will bem left as regional and freight corridors) linking Madrid with Those cities (Valladolid, Zaragoza,Cordoba,Albacete) , and the rest os the network is being upgraded to MIXED 200/250km/h (with many NEW variants being built).

And its universaly consentuous (?) that HSL is > 200km/h (125mph)

So british Pendulino(virgin), HST(many operators) and IC225(gner) are in fact High Speed Trains for instance ... and except for the WCML between Crewe and Scotland Englands railways are almost flat compared to Spain/Italy ... it's easy to upgrade everywhere to 200/300 running over there.

About the spanish trains ... Spanish CAF has buit many HST trains Of their oun design or based on designs by Their partners ... and talgo has trains running at 330km/h of their own design.

Only for italians fans ... "Pendulino" tecnology was based on a BRITISH design/tecnology (APT) and is now OWNED by french ALSTOM.
Only for Italian Railways Critics ... the diference between the italian "late & smelly" intercity/regional trains and the "nice and tidy" Spanish trains is basicaly that in italy HST and regional trains are options you can take to go almost anywhere ... in spain every HST link killed the old route and all its services ... the most blatant case being Madrid-Toledo.

Here in portugal we have a SERIOUS problem ... we have a very saturated rail network ... and we "feel the urge" to connect our HSL to those 4 points on the border with spain ... but we "have the need" to build about 1000km of HSL over some heavily urbanized areas to do so ... .

[fertiberia]

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Originally Posted by sotavento

Spain has 6 times size of portugal ... 4 times the population ... and only 2 times the economic size of portugal.

[fertiberia]

Originally Posted by sotavento

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[Stifler]

Originally Posted by sotavento

Not quite right ... Spain has 6 times size of portugal ... 4 times the population ... and only 2 times the economic size of portugal.

What's your source?

The Spanish economic size is 6.5 times bigger than Portuguese one.

[sotavento]

... nice guys you all ... just went to get my breakfast and you already spammed my reply ...

not Economic size (what the hell is that) but GDP ... got to go to sleep or it becomes worst ...

Just for the record GDP per capita its about Spain is $27.000 and portugal is $19.000 (at least acording to CIA)

Spain being $1.1 trilion and portugal $200 bilion ... so its only 5.5 times bigger. :P

And it was meant solely as a "smart ass" reply to oduguy1999's last phrase.