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Old June 22nd, 2011, 03:23 AM   #1241
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Here´s an accelerated ride along the R1 line in suburban Barcelona, from L´Hospitalet through (and under) Barcelona to Mataro and Calella. The Barcelona to Mataro route is the oldest line in mainland Spain (built in 1848), although the first line in Spain was the Havana to Güimes line (1837), back then Cuba was still Spanish.
As you can see, this line is VERY interesting if you want to go to the beach.

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Old June 22nd, 2011, 03:59 AM   #1242
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And here´s another ride through suburban Barcelona: R2 from the Airport through Barcelona to Granollers-Centre and back to Barcelona-Sants.

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Old June 22nd, 2011, 04:51 AM   #1243
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International ride from Puigcerda (Spain) to Latour de Carol (France).
The train is Spanish.



...and back from Latour de Carol (France) to Puigcerda (Spain).

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Old June 22nd, 2011, 05:15 AM   #1244
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And back to suburban Barcelona for a ride from Vilanova i la Geltru to Garraf along the R2.

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Old June 22nd, 2011, 06:23 AM   #1245
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What is the platform gauge on suburban rail (Cercanías) in Spain? It looks to be too low for me, which create incentives for people to cross tracks instead of taking under/overpasses or official grade pedestrian crossings.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 07:37 AM   #1246
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ask the 13 colombians, bolivians and equatorians killed by a HST while ilegaly crossing the tracks in Castelldefels...
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 07:45 AM   #1247
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If you mean the "heigh" of the platform as i've understood, there are 2, one short and other tall, the short is used (at least where I live) in old stations of low-medium frequency lines... some of those statios have an area across the tracks (instead of under/overpasses) allowing passengers to cross them but I've only seen that on stations with less than a train per hour...

Nevertheless I've seen that when one of those stations with short platforms is reformed, they upgrade the platform to a taller one (with ramps to cross the tracks), this is done for accesibility.

The taller platform its at the same heigh of the train's door.

P.S. I think that no HST pass throught Castelldefels, those people where crossing illegaly the tracks as there is a subterranean pass and the trains passing are alerted to the passengers by loudspeakers and signages.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 12:57 AM   #1248
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What is the platform gauge on suburban rail (Cercanías) in Spain? It looks to be too low for me, which create incentives for people to cross tracks instead of taking under/overpasses or official grade pedestrian crossings.
68 cm, that´s the definitive standard for platforms in the Adif rail network.
You can jump from those 68 cm when the train passes by if you want, Sub...
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Anyway, in France, Switzerland, Germany and Italy platforms are lower.
Platforms in Spain aren´t that low (there might still be a few stations with low platforms, but they´re in the process of being refurbished to high), although they´re usually not as high as in the underground.
Still, some non-Adif companies do have high platforms just like in the underground (FGC, FEVE, FGV...).

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Old June 25th, 2011, 12:01 AM   #1249
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An accelerated ride from Beniel to Alicante, on a Cercanías.

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Old June 25th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #1250
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ask the 13 colombians, bolivians and equatorians killed by a HST while ilegaly crossing the tracks in Castelldefels...
That train was not a HST but a Commuter train (Rodalies)...
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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #1251
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That train was not a HST but a Commuter train (Rodalies)...
No, it actually was an Alaris. The dead were crossing the tracks, and the commuter train had just left them in the station.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 02:33 AM   #1252
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ask the 13 colombians, bolivians and equatorians killed by a HST while ilegaly crossing the tracks in Castelldefels...
Crossing tracks is a common practice in Spain, part because over/underpasses are relatively new in Spain but part because of bad design. (sideplatforms invite to cross the track) Renfe should have decided on 70-80 cm island platforms for all their commuter train stations decades ago. That would have been great now when the old narrow sideplatforms are overcrowded with little or no space to expand them.

I grew up in a country with 100% island platforms on the commuter train network, during 20 years I never once saw a single person cross the tracks. In Spain I witness this practice daily and narrow escapes are common.
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 11:41 PM   #1253
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people, could somebody tell me few things about rolling stock: does series 102/112 (el pato) appear on route Barcelona - Madrid? if yes, is there continous service on the same train? if yes, which number that train is? also, does it ever appear on route Madrid - Sevilla? and last - how often it is on the route to Malga comparing to series 103?
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Old July 6th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #1254
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Could someone add pictures of the newly build station of Barcelona-Sagrera?
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Old July 6th, 2011, 12:46 AM   #1255
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As far I know:

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does series 102/112 (el pato) appear on route Barcelona - Madrid? if yes, is there continous service on the same train? if yes, which number that train is?
102/112 are used on Barcellona-Sevilla/Malaga trains (without stop in Madrid), on the Barcellona-Madrid line only 103 (Velaro E) trains are used.

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also, does it ever appear on route Madrid - Sevilla?
Madrid-Sevilla mainly, or only, uses the series 100 (TGV).

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and last - how often it is on the route to Malga comparing to series 103?
To Malaga only or mainly 102 are used, and 112 on Valencia.

On the Madrid-Valladolid all trains are amde with variable gauge vehicles (120 or 130 and derived) or the non-tilting Pendolino (104), except one AVE service (102?).
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Old July 6th, 2011, 10:52 AM   #1256
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No, it actually was an Alaris. The dead were crossing the tracks, and the commuter train had just left them in the station.
Thanks for the comment, I wasn't right then.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 12:10 AM   #1257
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I like the light on the platform for passengers security.

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Old July 16th, 2011, 03:33 PM   #1258
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Here in portugal old people are always crossing at grade from one platform to the other in the northern line ... and the platforms are all over 1m high.

Suicidal tendancies ...




Once I even saw and old fool crossing with his bike (on it's back) while we were aproaching at 220km/h ... somehow miraculously he managed to escape safely ... by the time we had aplied the emergency breakes we were already besides him ... somehow he found the strenght to throw the bike over to the platform and tren made a kickboxing-like move and climbed the platform ...


On the other hand ... the tendancies for crossing the tracks in the spanish major stations is there ... extremelly low platforms everywhere ... just think of being inside a Talgo and needing to step DOWN from it.
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Old July 16th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #1259
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Don´t think there are that many low platforms left, they still exist, but not so many as it used to...
The tendency is to put all platforms at the standard 68cm.
It takes time, of course.
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Old July 17th, 2011, 02:36 AM   #1260
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New stations have new platforms as well as reformed or updated stations are changed in that way.

Anyway... not all trains are similar. For example, new local trains have the gate at the high of the platform only in the central wagon (the other two wagons are a little higher because they have under them the powertrain).
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