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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:46 AM   #1661
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'll see if I can find some nice photo spots along the routes you mentioned.
you can consider the option of entering Spain through Canfranc.

The first station you will find is this one



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Two pictures about the train going down to Huesca and Zaragoza


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Train cannot be seen here but the railway crosses the downer side of the picture (I was there one month ago and could find some pic in some thread)




You can reach Canfranc from France (look at sncf.fr) and after there, choose the best way you want
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 02:03 AM   #1662
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Several routes in railway in Spain that can worth because landscapes:

- Leon-Asturias (this one that 437.001 wrote about)
- Madrid-Avila (and you will be dissapointed because the landscapes starts in the whole Madrid city)
- Barcelona-St. Vicenç de Calders (you can reach for regional or commuter trains, these ones stopping at all stations)
- Huesca-Canfranc (or conversely. There are three daily buses served by SNCF Oloron-Canfranc so you can reach for timetables).
- Alsasua-San Sebastian (all the Basque country inner)


and so on... they are really a lot of landscapes available from the train.
Furthermore... several high speed lanes can be quite nice too.
Ok, alserrod is recommending you the Barcelona-Sant Vicenç de Calders line, which is suburban concrete rubbish except for a few rocky miles, which aren´t that impressive either. I am from the area, and I really do NOT recommend it, unless you must use the train to get to/from Barcelona, at which the line is very useful.

If you ask me (in no particular order):

-Madrid-Almeria.
-Leon-Monforte-Ourense-Vigo
-Madrid-Algeciras
-Leon-Gijon
-Palencia-Santander
-Huesca-Canfranc
-Barcelona-Latour de Carol
-Barcelona-Blanes (the line goes along the sea front nearly all of the time)
-Zafra-Huelva-Mérida-Cáceres-Plasencia
-Puertollano-Mérida
-Madrid-Malaga (HSL)
-Cuenca-Utiel-Buñol-Valencia
-Zaragoza-Teruel-Valencia
-Cáceres-Valencia de Alcántara
-Madrid-Cercedilla-Segovia (plus Cercedilla-Cotos narrow gauge branch)
-Lleida-La Pobla de Segur
-Bilbao-Mataporquera-Cistierna-Leon
-all the Atlantic coastal narrow gauge lines of Northern Spain
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 02:51 AM   #1663
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News about the network:

The reconstruction (and upgrade) works of the classic line between Lorca and Aguilas are finished.
The travel time has been cut by 15 minutes between Aguilas and Lorca-Sutullena stations.
That´s in the Region of Murcia, in Southeastern Spain.

This line was heavily affected by floods on September 2012, and had been closed since then.
The flood of the Rambla de Nogalte riverbed was so heavy that it took away the viaduct, and many parts of the line, which had to be reconstructed for kilometers.

Adif decided to upgrade the rest of the line between Lorca and Aguilas, since it was in very bad state before the floods anyway.

Two in one, kind of. They get back the trains, and better than ever!

They´ll even get a new Madrid-Lorca-Aguilas seasonal train.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #1664
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I guess the luck of money simultaneously with the desire to look good is playing a bit of chaos with the decisions of those politicians. Spain is hardly an exceptional case in this regard.

Thanks for the map. Is the old line particularly picturesque? It sure does look very windy...
If you have 50 min to spare, this is the line in winter, it is much nicer in summer but at least it gives an idea.



Anyway, about scenic railways in Spain, the narrow gauge in northern Spain is IMO the nicest one.

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Old May 24th, 2013, 06:47 PM   #1665
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I have a question: why haven't Spain build some good coastal rail links in Andaluzia and nearby places?

I think a La Linea - Malaga - (Granada) - Benidorm link could be very successful.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #1666
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It is to be considered as the Mediterranean axe (from Algeciras to Figueres).
It would be, at the same time HS and freight line.

But if you look at any map you will notice that until Murcia it is not easy to build anything in that area. The highest peak in the peninsula (second in Spain) is very close to the sea. Will you overpass it by the north or south?
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Old May 25th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #1667
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I have a question: why haven't Spain build some good coastal rail links in Andaluzia and nearby places?
At the time of the construction of the railway network in the mid XIXth-early XXth century, the área wasn´t very populated, later on, car took over.

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I think a La Linea - Malaga - (Granada) - Benidorm link could be very successful.

You couldn´t help yourself, could you?
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Old May 25th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #1668
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You couldn´t help yourself, could you?
There is a big coastal tourism industry there, a HSL could help connect these places.

At least a Gibraltar-Almeria link could be helpful (linked with the HSL to Madrid of course)
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Old May 26th, 2013, 03:27 AM   #1669
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There is a big coastal tourism industry there, a HSL could help connect these places.

At least a Gibraltar-Almeria link could be helpful (linked with the HSL to Madrid of course)
Ok, now you say Gibraltar-Almeria, which makes a bit more sense than La Línea-Malaga-Granada-Benidorm.

You should know though, that the coast between Nerja and Almeria is very very steep. Not as overbuilt as between Gibraltar and Nerja, but very steep. A HSL through that area would be very expensive, and the area between Nerja and Almeria is not as touristic as the area between Nerja and Gibraltar.

Btw, I don´t find very likely that the British and Spanish governments will agree to build a line into Gibraltar any time soon.

Although many British and Spaniards would be happy about it, as it would be very practical, given the number of Spaniards working in Gibraltar, and the number of British living in the Malaga province (there are loads more British living in the Malaga province than in Gibraltar itself). It should be underground though, since there is no room through La Línea nor Gibraltar... and that makes things difficult, since that would mean crossing under the Gibraltar airport.

Anyway, what is more needed is a commuter train, much more than a HSL.

Both would be very expensive to build though, as large parts would have to be underground since the area is largely overbuilt, especially between Fuengirola and Estepona.
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What are chances of Spain extending some HSL from Seville to the POrtuguese border (and some work on their side to connect with Faro)?
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I think that the Spanish government would be much more willing to do so than the Portuguese government (and it's understandable because Portugal is still pure Iberian gauge).
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Spain has actually no financial sources for building new HSLs.
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What are chances of Spain extending some HSL from Seville to the POrtuguese border (and some work on their side to connect with Faro)?
The chances are dim.
There´s little interest in that corridor. No business case.

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Spain has actually no financial sources for building new HSLs.
Of course we do!!
We´re opening one in less than a month.
Only that due to austerity we have to keep a slower pace. Just that.
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Old May 26th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #1674
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To be honest starting new projects in the current economic climate is very unlikely. However, once all the projects already under construction are finished Spain will have the best HS rail system in the world in terms of coverage. It will be reaching pretty much every 100k + municipality in the mainland. I don't think even China or Japan will be able to say that any time soon.
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Should new connections with Portugal be enforced they should be:

HSL Madrid-Badajoz-Lisboa . It will be a freight+passengers line and there will be two semi-binational stations. This is, an area close to the border for freight in the Portuguese side and a station close to Badajoz (Spanish side)

Catenary in Fuentes de Oñoro-Medina del Campo and allow Portuguese trains to go anywhere in Europe with electricity.



Having those two things... enough for next ten years (at least)
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To be honest starting new projects in the current economic climate is very unlikely. However, once all the projects already under construction are finished Spain will have the best HS rail system in the world in terms of coverage. It will be reaching pretty much every 100k + municipality in the mainland. I don't think even China or Japan will be able to say that any time soon.
By new HSLs I meant finished new high speed lines, not new projects from scratch.
It´s not only that we can´t afford new projects from scratch, it´s just that we don´t need them.
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We´re opening one in less than a month.
Only that due to austerity we have to keep a slower pace. Just that.
Which one? Towards Bilbao?
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Which one? Towards Bilbao?
Towards Alicante, on the Mediterranean coast in south eastern Spain. The line that will open is the Albacete - Alicante section of the high speed line connecting Madrid to several parts of the eastern coast (Valencia, Alicante, Murcia, Cartagena).

In December 2010 the first section opened, between Madrid and Valencia, as well as a branch to Albacete which now will be extended to Alicante. In 2 or 3 years Valencia - La Encina will open, as well as Monforte del Cid - Murcia.

The first section will make high speed services between Valencia and Alicante possible, which will also benefit all the services currently operating from Barcelona to Alicante and Murcia.

The second section will extend the high speed network to Murcia, 7th city of the country in terms of population.

We'll have to wait a little more for the high speed line to Bilbao, which is also in advanced stage of construction in the Vitoria - Bilbao stretch.
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There is a big coastal tourism industry there, a HSL could help connect these places.

At least a Gibraltar-Almeria link could be helpful (linked with the HSL to Madrid of course)
Algeciras (biggest city in the Gibraltar area, bigger than La Linea) - Marbella - Málaga is really necessary, there's a lot of people living there, as well as lots of tourists. The problem here is that there's no space to build a surface railway line, conventional or high speed. It will have to be not completely but in a high percentage underground, which of course will increase its construction costs.

Anyway, what is needed there is regional and suburban service, more than high speed. I mean, high speed trains could also use that line, but it must have a lot of stations to serve the population, like in a commuter train line.

Málaga - Almería would be really expensive to build. Maybe Málaga - Nerja has some probabilities of being built as a commuter train line, but not in the near future, it will also be really expensive due to the lack of space. Between Nerja and Almería I don't think anything will be built.

Almería - Murcia is currently under construction, but the planning has been terrible and, while some sections are almost finished, others have yet to be started, so there won't be any opening before a long time. It's sad, because there's no railway connection between Andalucía and Murcia since 1985, and it's really needed.

High Speed Line between Murcia and Alicante is also under construction, replacing the current single track not electrified line. Between Alicante and Benidorm there's a tram train service, it's a little slow but at least there's something. There are plans to build a high speed line between Alicante and Valencia following the coast, via Benidorm, Dénia and Gandía. Nobody thinks it will be a reality in short or mid term.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #1680
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I've been in that area with a car (Gibraltar-Malaga-Almeria) and building a railway line there would indeed be expensive and difficult...

By the way is there currently a train Madrid-Almeria? If yes then which route does it take?
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