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Old May 29th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #1701
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Old May 29th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #1702
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The design of the Talgo 350 is remarkable. Unfortunately, I haven't had the pleasure of riding it yet. Where are these trains deployed nowadays?

Here's another video of Spanish HSR:


I love the music of this video, it's so relaxing.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 12:11 AM   #1703
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and in a couple of years Burgos-Palencia-León (and later until near Oviedo) with HSL too
I´m not sure about that, and I´d rather say no.

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We will have these HSL streches before the Madrid tunnel
I´m not sure about that.

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Isn't the Madrid tunnel opening this year?
No.

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Btw, we are in the Spain | Railways thread (for classic lines), these posts deal about HSR, and they should be in the other thread (Spain | High Speed Railways).
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Old May 30th, 2013, 01:56 AM   #1704
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- Due to the isolation of the Valencia HSL until 20 km south of Madrid, the tunnel can't be reach from the Barcelona line. When the section Torrejon de Velasco-Chamatin will be done we could have trains from Valencia to Valladolid and from Corboba to Valladolid, but not from Barcelona to the North HSL.

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I don't understand that underlined part. As I see from the map and given that both Valencia HSL and Barcelona-France HSL end up in the same place, why shouldn't trains from Barcelone be able to continue towards Valladolid whereas those from Valencia can do it?

Or is the dotted line completely separated from the other? In that case, why would someone take such a stupid decision? Joining both lines somehow shouldn't be that hard if they both stop at Atocha, therefore they must run close enough to each other to be able to intersect them.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 03:05 AM   #1705
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i'm not sure, but that entrance to Madrid is a rail nightmare... with mixed iberian and standard gauge tracks... there are a lot of tracks but kind of isolated for long stretches...

For example the tracks for C-3 and C-4 (commuter network) are between the Sevilla and Valencia (unfinished) LAVs
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Old May 30th, 2013, 05:17 AM   #1706
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I don't understand that underlined part. As I see from the map and given that both Valencia HSL and Barcelona-France HSL end up in the same place, why shouldn't trains from Barcelone be able to continue towards Valladolid whereas those from Valencia can do it?

Or is the dotted line completely separated from the other? In that case, why would someone take such a stupid decision? Joining both lines somehow shouldn't be that hard if they both stop at Atocha, therefore they must run close enough to each other to be able to intersect them.
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i'm not sure, but that entrance to Madrid is a rail nightmare... with mixed iberian and standard gauge tracks... there are a lot of tracks but kind of isolated for long stretches...

For example the tracks for C-3 and C-4 (commuter network) are between the Sevilla and Valencia (unfinished) LAVs
I answer here, and this off-topic must continue here.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 11:04 AM   #1707
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I think it is easier to resquet the posts to be moved than to divide the conversation.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 02:27 AM   #1708
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By mid-june, some 30km of the upgraded classic line between Jerez and Lebrija (on the Seville-Cadiz line) might open.
Double-tracked and ready for 220km/h.
A further stretch from Lebrija to somewhere around Las Cabezas de San Juan might open a bit later.

Some in Spain consider that line a HSL. I don´t. I consider it an upgraded classic line.
To me, any railway line including commuter trains is not a HSL.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 03:46 PM   #1709
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I was reading about some rail line built in the 1970s to connect Madrid with Burgos with modern specs but abandoned in the 1990s, shorter than the route via Valladolid.

Does anyone know something about it?
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I was reading about some rail line built in the 1970s to connect Madrid with Burgos with modern specs but abandoned in the 1990s, shorter than the route via Valladolid.

Does anyone know something about it?
The Spanish Wikipedia does:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroca..._Madrid-Burgos
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Old June 3rd, 2013, 05:44 PM   #1711
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The Talgo Barcelona-Lorca (and its reverse Lorca-Montpellier St. Roch) will be extended to Aguilas on weekends!
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I was reading about some rail line built in the 1970s to connect Madrid with Burgos with modern specs but abandoned in the 1990s, shorter than the route via Valladolid.

Does anyone know something about it?
Modern specs is a stretch. The line is 282 km between Madrid and Burgos, the best possible case if the line was renovated up to todays standards is ~ 2h 15 min. By comparison the new route via Valladolid is barely longer, Madrid-Valladolid 180 km and Valladolid-Burgos 105 km. But built for 350 km/h and a travel time below 1h 30 min including a stopover in Valladolid.

It could be used as a freight corridor though...
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The problem, Suburbanist, is that the line Madrid-Aranda de Duero-Burgos doesn´t follow any valley, so there are lots of bends and many gradients, not very difficult, but of the kind that doesn´t allow high speeds...

The Madrid-Avila-Valladolid-Burgos line is very difficult between Las Matas and Arévalo, but it is flat and with loads of straight sections between Arévalo and Burgos.
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HeyHey,

as I promied you, I am telling you about my Spain travels in the last month! I wrote two reports (both in German) but with many photos, please click on those links:

1) AVE Barcelona-Sevilla and v.v

http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?mode=entry&id=233867

2) TGV/AVE München-Paris-Barcelona-Madrid

http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?mo...232149#p232149


I will give you some short information in English:

1) AVE Barcelona-Sevilla

- really pleasent traval, train was booked quite well (in Turista)
- I went on one day Barcelina-Sevilla-Barcelona, just for fun with a 2 hours break in Sevilla )) It was awesome! 2.200 km in one day...

2) TGV/AVE München-Paris-Barcelona-Madrid

- it's posisble to travel from south of Germany (München) to Madrid in one day! Early TGV München-Paris and then TGV/AVE Paris-Figueres-Madrid
- you can see how good this train was booked on the changing in Figeures! Maybe it was because it was a public holiday, but it was really, really crowded (much more crowded than one year before opening of Figueres-Barcelona)

Hope you like the fotos, I don't have so much to say, as you probably know the AVE network better than I do :PP
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Very nice report! Loved the pictures and description
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You must be tired, after so many kilometers...
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Old June 4th, 2013, 11:13 AM   #1717
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Out of curiosity, how much did you pay for all the tickets you had to buy to be able to make your trip?
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I work for Deutsche Bahn, so I got international reduction :-)
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Old June 4th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #1719
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Which was your general impression about the stations you saw?. Not only about those you had to shuttle or final destination but also, those with calls or just passing over.
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Hi everyone, I've just stumbled upon articles about Canfranc railway station. I wonder why such magnificent railway station is abandoned? And which railway line does it serve? Is there any attempt to revive service to this railway station?

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