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Old June 6th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #1721
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Hi everyone, I've just stumbled upon articles about Canfranc railway station. I wonder why such magnificent railway station is abandoned? And which railway line does it serve? Is there any attempt to revive service to this railway station?
I think it served a line connecting Spain with Tarbes, in France, but it has been long abandoned.
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I think it served a line connecting Spain with Tarbes, in France, but it has been long abandoned.
Not Tarbes, but Oloron Sainte Marie and further north to Pau.

The French section between Bedous and Canfranc closed in 1971 or 1973, if I remember correctly, and the section between Bedous and Oloron in 1980 for passengers and 1985 for freight.

On the Spanish section runs between Canfranc and Jaca, Ayerbe and Huesca, then to Tardienta where it connects with the Lerida to Saragossa line.

There used to be a direct branch between Turuñana junction, just south of Ayerbe, and Zuera, south of Tardienta, but it closed in 1970 or so.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #1723
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About Canfranc Station.

It was opened in the 1920ish by King Alfonso XIII and President Gaston de Doumergue. If you look at this thread or the French one in any post dated on July 18th you will see some post by myself with the opening pictures.

Several trains run from Canfranc to Pau and to Zaragoza. In fact there was, when just opened, a night train to Valencia and another one to Madrid, plus the daily trains.

While second world war it was a strategic station because located in the centre of the border.

It has a 8,1 km tunnel which was electrified. Although all French-Spanish crosses have two customs (all trains "arrive" to the other country and depart from the own country) in the case of Canfranc it was decided to have a single station because it was a single lane in the tunnel. No possibility for two lanes. Too expensive.

Canfranc station had a hotel and a lot of facilites as an international station. Spanish trains arrived close to the town and French trains to the opposite side of the station. The tracks located far away were with Iberian gauge and used for keeping trains. There were several gauge changers in the station.
Anyway, it was often that passenger trains had Canfranc as final destination and all of them had to cross two customs. French and Spanish in the same building.

The town, built for the station and keeps on (and goes away partially thanks to ski resorts) has an international treaty. This means that French citizens could remain within the town without considering they had crossed the border. They had their own houses and own services. French police was allowed to control them within the town. If someone of them wanted to go out of the town had to go to the station and sign as a France exit cos while being inside Canfranc they had not "crossed" the border.

While second world war and France occupation, the German army occupied the French side of the station and its former flag was on the station. They controlled the town for French citizens because the agreement and usually in pairs together with Spanish police.

This international treaty has not been abolished so French police could come again to control people working in the station... if they had.

Regarding to the line.... I think it was the March 30th (or 31st???) of 1970 when a freight train crashed in the French side. Line was closed... and not opened again.

There are three daily buses Oloron-Canfranc and three more Oloron-Bedous served by SNCF.

While Canfranc had a station major, it was mandatory that the SNCF bus departed when station major had whistled as if a train was departing.

In the 2000ish a major refurbishmen of the station was started with several projects and several parts.

If was stopped due to the crisis and two months ago or so it was buyed by Aragonese government who will finish its refurbishing and will be able to make anything inside (at least a hotel as it had a long time ago)
Price was about 300.000 euro only and it takes from the first platform until the last opossite corner.
The national company that manages stations only owns the tracks that are in the front side of the station and a single cabin to sell tickets. They will refurbish their side but nothing special is due to be done.

I remember to have seen two daily Zaragoza-Canfranc that currently exists and a direct Madrid-Canfranc, later only Madrid-Jaca daily except on saturdays. When the HSL line was opened it was changed by an express train Zaragoza-Jaca with calls at Tardienta, Huesca, Ayerbe and Sabiñanigo but it is expected to be gone because it is one of the lowest occupation rate train.

SNCF keeps having three daily buses.



About international service we can talk toooooo much. Briefly it requires several new line streches in Spain, international gauge (very easy) and electrifed.

In the French side it requries... to open a 43 years closed line.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:17 PM   #1724
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And this is the famous photo (source: heraldo.es but you can find it anywhere)

King Alfonso XIII and President Gaston de Doumergue in the opening day

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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #1725
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By the way, forumers from the region of Aragon have a photo award thead. In the first edition a picture of this station was the winner.

You can see it copied in the second post, as well as a banner that SSC had three years ago.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1627952
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It must be said that more recently they opened the Somport tunnel, which makes road traffic much faster. It is a modern low-altitude tunnel. Roads on the Spanish side are good, the French need to update their sector.
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Hi everyone, I've just stumbled upon articles about Canfranc railway station. I wonder why such magnificent railway station is abandoned? And which railway line does it serve? Is there any attempt to revive service to this railway station?
It is to far away from any important ski resort or national park so it can't be developed into a tourist destination in itself. It sits in the wrong valley to say the least.
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It is to far away from any important ski resort or national park so it can't be developed into a tourist destination in itself. It sits in the wrong valley to say the least.
Canfranc station is right next to two of the best known ski resorts of the Spanish Pyrenees: Astun and Candanchu.
As for National Parks, it is right next to the Parc National des Pyrénées, in France.
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Canfranc station is right next to two of the best known ski resorts of the Spanish Pyrenees: Astun and Candanchu.
As for National Parks, it is right next to the Parc National des Pyrénées, in France.
Perhaps, but we are not exactly talking ski resort the size to justify a train station as extravagant as Canfranc. Maybe if they were the size of say Chamonix or Garmisch Partenkirchen you could justify a station of that size.
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Perhaps, but we are not exactly talking ski resort the size to justify a train station as extravagant as Canfranc. Maybe if they were the size of say Chamonix or Garmisch Partenkirchen you could justify a station of that size.
This is not the Alps at all of course, but Candanchu is the oldest ski resort in the Pyrenees. In two valleys you have four ski resorts incluiding (in the parallel one) the biggest resort in Spain. Obviously not as big as in other European resorts (there are somewhere other ones really small)... but there is one thing clear: there were you have ski, there is more population
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It must be said that more recently they opened the Somport tunnel, which makes road traffic much faster. It is a modern low-altitude tunnel. Roads on the Spanish side are good, the French need to update their sector.
The road was refurbished in 1991. I remember because it was the only time that Tour de France has crossed that mountain pass and it was almost finished (pavement finished but lines and shoulders not painted yet when the Tour passed there). Nothing changed since then except the road tunnel, opened in January 2003.
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Is the Tarbes-Canfranc line scenic on itself to warrant the kind of tourism the Swiss do in some mountains with modern trains on picturesque tracks?
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Well... Pau-Canfranc, no Tarbes

It is...

Pau is about 200m over sea level

90 km ahead or so, Canfranc is 1100m
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This is last French station, very, very near to tunnel entrance



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I think it served a line connecting Spain with Tarbes, in France, but it has been long abandoned.
First you make the mistake.

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Not Tarbes, but Oloron Sainte Marie and further north to Pau.
Then I correct you. But right after I correct you:

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Is the Tarbes-Canfranc line scenic on itself to warrant the kind of tourism the Swiss do in some mountains with modern trains on picturesque tracks?
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Is the PAU-Canfranc line scenic on itself to warrant the kind of tourism the Swiss do in some mountains with modern trains on picturesque tracks?
No, it isn´t, or at least it shouldn´t be for forumers like you.

OF COURSE IT IS!!! It´s the Pyrenees!!!

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This is last French station, very, very near to tunnel entrance



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Called Forges d´Abel.

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Perhaps, but we are not exactly talking ski resort the size to justify a train station as extravagant as Canfranc. Maybe if they were the size of say Chamonix or Garmisch Partenkirchen you could justify a station of that size.
So?
Chamonix and Garmisch-Partenkirchen were not big ski resorts by the time Canfranc station was built. Nor was Canfranc.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #1736
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You can have a look to this map.

It is the little Forges d'Abel village. Just several houses.
https://maps.google.es/maps?q=Forges...,+Francia&z=16

It is quite easy to see where the station was. You can find the "Tunnel du Somport" where the railway tunnel starts.

You can have a look that in the nearby, the road E-07 tunnel starts too.
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The line that went through Canfranc reminds me to the mountain passes on Western United States (such as Donner pass).

I heard that there is a talk (in France) of reviving the line to alleviate congestion on the Somport tunnel. If this materialize, they would need a super powerful locomotive to haul the freight train.

Canfranc station itself is an impressive structure. It reminds me of Baroque-style station such as Gare d'Orsay. I only began to pay attention due to its deserted state.

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The station roof isn't the original, indeed.

The original one had some materials that they are forbidden now for construction. So then it is metallic but with a very similar look. You can have a look to last picture or to any other taken ten years ago and you will not notice anything in the colour... but in fact they are different materials.
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Hi everyone,

New 113 emu FGC train coming back to Rubí yard (COR) from Barcelona, in Gràcia station:

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A S-599 DMU on the Intercity Aguilas-Madrid, at Lorca-Sutullena station.
And beside, a severely tagged S-592.2 "Superman" DMU, waiting to start a commuter service Cercanías C2 Lorca Sutullena-Murcia.
The "Superman" DMUs are not doing these services normally, they´re usually done by the S-592.0 "Cercanías" DMUs (less refurbished).

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Lorca-Sutullena station is under reconstruction works to restore the damages caused by the 2011 earthquake that severely hit Lorca.
This is what happened to Lorca-Sutullena station in 2011:



Wikipedia: aperiago


2012 wasn´t any better for the Lorca area either, since it suffered horrible floods by the rivers Guadalentin and Rambla de Nogalte.
In fact, the railway service between Lorca-Sutullena and Aguilas has been cut for seven months to restore the damage done by the floods (now it´s open again).
Here you have an image of the rail bridge over the Guadalentin at Lorca during the floods, located between Lorca-Sutullena and Lorca-San Diego stations (survived the flood, other bridges on the line didn´t, notably the viaduct over the Rambla de Nogalte):



http://elarcadealberto.blogspot.com....1_archive.html
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