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Old September 10th, 2013, 03:08 AM   #1821
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I know that on the Imperial railway (Madrid-Irún-Hendaye) and his branches trains run on the left unliek in the rest of Spain, but how about the other lines (I suppose on new liens trains run on the right)?
The lines in which trains run on the left (all ex-Caminos de Hierro del Norte) are:

-the Imperial line: Madrid (Pinar nowadays)-Avila-Medina del Campo-Valladolid-Venta de Baños-Burgos-Miranda de Ebro-Vitoria-Altsasu-San Sebastian-Irun/Hendaye.
-Venta de Baños-Palencia-Leon-La Robla.
-Pola de Lena-Soto de Rey-Oviedo-Villabona de Asturias-Gijón.
-Villabona de Asturias-Nubledo.
-Bilbao Abando-Orduña.
-Bilbao Abando-Desierto Barakaldo-Santurtzi.

I think some narrow gauge lines in Northern Spain (Renfe/Feve and Euskotren) run on the left, but I´m not sure which ones, nor if it´s in all the cases or not.
I´ve travelled on all of them, but I just can´t remember...

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Is it planned to switch the running side on the Imperial line?
No.

A few ex-Norte lines were switched many years ago, and now trains run on the right there.
They are the following:

-Valencia Nord-Silla-Xàtiva.
-Zaragoza-Casetas-Tudela-Castejón de Ebro.
-Barcelona Plaça Catalunya-Arc de Triomf-Sant Andreu Arenal-Montcada Bifurcació.
-Montcada Bifurcació-Cerdanyola del Vallès-Sabadell Centre-Terrassa-Manresa.

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The section between Madrid Príncipe Pío and Pinar used to see trains run on the left, yes.

The Pinar loop was built there for practical reasons.

It would have been unpractical to build it closer to Madrid Príncipe Pío station, and it was needed, since it was part of what later became the Cercanías line Príncipe Pío-Delicias-Atocha. Atocha is Madrid´s main station, and trains there run on the right, so they had to switch the section between Príncipe Pío and Pinar (although the Pinar loop was built years before the reconstruction of the Atocha-Príncipe Pío line, which had been up till then a freight branch).
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Old September 10th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #1822
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Narrow-gauge Basque Railways (Eukotren) EMU unit #904 named Errenteria near Oiartzun:

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Old September 10th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #1823
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Santiago-Vigo line.

River Ulla viaduct, the most spectacular of the line, under construction.
Located between Vilagarcía de Arousa and Padrón.

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Old September 14th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #1824
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Santiago-Vigo line.

River Ulla viaduct, the most spectacular of the line, under construction.
Located between Vilagarcía de Arousa and Padrón.
So there will be two spectacular Ulla river viaducts with the other one between Santiago and Ourense already in use. If so have they given a different name to this one. I tried to google this one and naturally almost all the hits were for the one already finished. As I understand it will stay a the more spectacular one.
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The line Plasencia-Salamanca-Zamora-Benavente-Astorga (also known as 'Ruta de la Plata') is being dismantled.

It was closed in 1985, the most controversial of all the 1985 closures, since it was a main line, the only one that connected all of Western Spain.
Now, if you want to go from Mérida to Salamanca, you have to go via Madrid, which means a detour of hundreds of kilometers.

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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #1827
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Ciudad Real-Puertollano-Mérida-Badajoz line.

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Old September 20th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #1828
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I think some narrow gauge lines in Northern Spain (Renfe/Feve and Euskotren) run on the left, but I´m not sure which ones, nor if it´s in all the cases or not.
I´ve travelled on all of them, but I just can´t remember...
About EuskoTren: trains run on the left on Bilbao area and on the right on the Topo (Donostia - San Sebastián) area. The transition is seamless because there is a long single-tracked section between the two areas. Metro Bilbao also runs on the left as it reuses stretches of track previously operated by EuskoTren.

The reason for the distinct way of operation between the two areas are historical, when they were operated by different companies. I don't know what will happen if the whole Bilbao - Donostia line becomes double tracked, if this ever happens.

Can't tell for sure about FEVE. Although I did watch some trains passing thru the quite new Ospitalea double tracked station last October, they all used the same track on both directions. I don't know if this was designed as this or due to a technical failure because I didn't rode any train.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:38 AM   #1829
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Old line Medina del Campo-Segovia.
Closed in 1990, the stretch between Medina del Campo and Olmedo junction (for the HSL) remains in service for trains coming from Madrid bound for Galicia (and vice-versa), which leave or enter the HSL at Olmedo junction through this short stretch of classic line.

This is the only viaduct still in use in the remaining part of the line.

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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #1830
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News:

-looks like the section Pinar-Villalba (classic line Madrid-Avila-Medina del Campo-Valladolid and on) is going to be getting the third and fourth tracks.

-the section Villalba-Alpedrete (line Villalba-Cercedilla-Segovia) is going to be double-tracked.

-the section Valencia-Buñol (classic line Valencia-Utiel-Cuenca-Aranjuez) will be electrified.

The three of them have passed the environmental declaration.

Besides:

The following projects are 'paralized' (which is a polite way to say 'scrapped' in some cases, or 'postponed' in others):

◾Urban integration (underground, I guess) between Silla and Valencia.

◾New line, alternative to the current Malaga-Fuengirola line.

◾New freight line between Tarragona and Castellbisbal.

◾New Access to Granada from the Moreda to Granada line.

◾Urban integration at Algeciras (underground, I guess).

◾Line Bobadilla-Algeciras, upgrade of the section San Pablo de Buceite-Almoraima.

◾Modification of the classic line between Valencia and El Puig.

◾Urban integration (underground) at Tarragona.

◾San Fernando to river Manzanares new line (a sort of Crossrail/RER that we can´t afford by now).

◾Urban integration (underground) at Santander.

◾Urban integration (underground) at Avilés.
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Santiago-Vigo line.

River Ulla viaduct, the most spectacular of the line, under construction.
Located between Vilagarcía de Arousa and Padrón.

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Santiago-Vigo line.

River Ulla viaduct, the most spectacular of the line, under construction.
Located between Vilagarcía de Arousa and Padrón.


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As suggested I'm asking here a similar question to the one I posed in high speed thread: what are the major developments expected on non-high speed network in 2014 and 2015?

What are the biggest projects actually? The one's I've heard about most is Santiago-Vigo and Seville-Cadiz lines. By the way why was it decided (before crisis) to make the latter stretch in broad gauge instead of just extending high speed line from Seville further south? As far as I can judge from photos and reports here rebuilding works are quite extensive anyway and have been taking a very long time.
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As suggested I'm asking here a similar question to the one I posed in high speed thread: what are the major developments expected on non-high speed network in 2014 and 2015?
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What are the biggest projects actually? The one's I've heard about most is Santiago-Vigo and Seville-Cadiz lines.
That is correct, as you can see on the posts above.

The Seville-Cadiz upgrade and double-tracking will be ready for next year (unless catastrophe).

The Vigo-Santiago upgrade and double-tracking is partially being opened bit by bit, just like the Cadiz line. It won´t be finished by 2014 (as it is obvious on the viaduct pictures and also on the Vigo-Urzáiz station reconstruction ones), but the section from Arcade to Santiago should (viaduct excepted, of course).
The river Ulla viaduct should be ready by 2015.

The Vandellos-Vilaseca section of the Mediterranean Corridor has AT LAST restarted the works, and sleepers are being installed, and very son rails will be too. What we´re unsure about this section is that it should be in standard gauge, and the rest of the line to Castellon (including the L´Aldea-Tortosa branch) should have the gauge changed, and we can´t see the deadline.

Then there are other projects (which may start in 2014, some might finish or get close to be finished by 2014):

-electrification of the Medina del Campo-Salamanca-Fuentes de Oñoro/Vilar Formoso classic line (25 kV).

-quadruple-tracking of the section Pinar-Villalba (on the Madrid-Avila-Valladolid classic line), thus allowing a separation between commuter rail on one side and regional rail and freight on the other.

-double-tracking of the section Villalba-Alpedrete on the Villalba-Cercedilla-Sergovia classic line (the only Madrid commuter rail line which is still single track).

-electrification of the section Valencia-Buñol (on the Madrid-Aranjuez-Cuenca-Valencia classic line), to allow electric commuter trains. This also includes the connection of the line between Valencia-Sant Isidre and Valencia-Fuente de San Luis stations, and maybe also between Valencia-Sant Isidre and Valencia-Nord too.

-extension of the FGC Vallès line from Terrassa-Rambla to Terrassa-Nacions Unides, underground, and offering a crucial interchange with Rodalies Renfe at Terrassa-Estació del Nord, which will massively improve connectivity in suburban Barcelona. Should open by 2014/2015.
Another underground connection between the FGC Vallès lines and Rodalies Renfe is also in Works between Sabadell-Estació and Sabadell-Ca N´Oriac, offering another interchange FGC/Rodalies Renfe at Sabadell-Nord station.
This one should be for 2016.
Both appear as dashed lines on the metropolitan rail maps of Barcelona, it means they´re coming soon.

-upgrading, double-tracking and electrification of the section Humanes-Illescas (on the Madrid-Talavera-Cáceres-Valencia de Alcántara line), as it will be included in an extension of the Cercanías Renfe Madrid commuter network.

-upgrading, double-tracking and electrification of the section Colmenar Viejo-Soto del Real (on the Madrid-Aranda de Duero-Burgos line, officially open, but currently with no passenger service north of Colmenar Viejo and no service at all north of Manzanares-Soto del Real), as it will be included in an extension of the Cercanías Renfe Madrid commuter network.

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By the way why was it decided (before crisis) to make the latter stretch in broad gauge instead of just extending high speed line from Seville further south?
Commuter rail, mainly. It would have cut the access to the most central commuter rail station at Seville (Sevilla-San Bernardo), which is the only one that connects with the metro by now.

Freight had a role too. The access to the Seville port is just south of Seville, and it would interfere.

And regional rail on the Seville-Malaga and Seville-Granada-Almeria lines too.
Interfered too.

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As far as I can judge from photos and reports here rebuilding works are quite extensive anyway and have been taking a very long time.
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The Torralba-Soria line will restart the upgrade works that had been halted a few years ago due to austerity. Cost €2 million.
Works will start next month, and they may need a couple of cuts on the line (around 42 hours each cut).
Madrid-Soria trains might improve travel time after the upgrade (right now Soria has very bad rail services).

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Old September 28th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #1836
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- I read in Wikipedia that the line between Sevilla and Cadiz will be of "only" 200 kmph. It is true?

- High Speed Rail trains in Cadiz will use current track? This tracks now are used by commuter trains and regional trains.
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- I read in Wikipedia that the line between Sevilla and Cadiz will be of "only" 200 kmph. It is true?
Yes, but why not asking that in the Spanish forum?

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Yes, they will. It s going to be the same trains as now though, no AVE.
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Santiago-Vigo line.

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Are the works stopped currently or the pictures were simply timed so that no one is around?
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