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Old July 3rd, 2007, 01:31 AM   #681
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[QUOTE=Mr Downtown;14054422]Amli900 this morning. Hoist seemed to be going up over the weekend, and it seems like it's almost time to start the cladding. I sure hope it looks nice, since it will dominate my western view.

Serious question in regard to this design. I have no problem or issues with this project, but as an educational question however, for all the rhetoric that DPD gives about the new stated, but un-written goals of tall and thin, how does this project or particular design accomplish this?
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 03:16 AM   #682
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Looking out my bedroom window...Vision on State looks like a prison (take a good look at it when you walk by)
I have long nicknamed it "Prison on State". I am not sure what kind if vision the architect and developer had in mind, but it clearly lacked true vision of any kind.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 03:28 AM   #683
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^ Vision of Hell on State.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 04:23 AM   #684
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Amli900 this morning. Hoist seemed to be going up over the weekend, and it seems like it's almost time to start the cladding. I sure hope it looks nice, since it will dominate my western view.

Serious question in regard to this design. I have no problem or issues with this project, but as an educational question however, for all the rhetoric that DPD gives about the new stated, but un-written goals of tall and thin, how does this project or particular design accomplish this?

Exactly.

Which is why that rhetoric should be viewed at more closely and not frowned upon because of height.

Mr. Downtown's "view" might have been nicer if the 1/3 portion of the buildings northern end had been placed upon the 2/3 portion on the south. The structure looks bloated.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 04:37 AM   #685
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Exactly.

Which is why that rhetoric should be viewed at more closely and not frowned upon because of height.

Mr. Downtown's "view" might have been nicer if the 1/3 portion of the buildings northern end had been placed upon the 2/3 portion on the south. The structure looks bloated.
Just seems that many of the current projects like Vision on State, Amli900, Museum Park Place Tower I & II (not built yet), 1712 S. Michigan, are even further away from this "tall & thin" concept that we keep hearing about. Other than the Columbian (because of it's height), it seems like a reverse direction...?
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 05:13 AM   #686
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tall and thin. . . how does this project or particular design accomplish this?
It isn't clear to me that "tall and thin" is actually much more than a PowerPoint presentation that Sam Assefa gives. I haven't actually heard of any PDs being altered, and it's interesting that he's no longer in the Mayor's Office.

It may be useful to remember that there are reasons other than zoning regulations and aesthetics that guide building programs. There are tradeoffs of elevator efficiency vs. floorplate served, column size and concrete strength vs. wind loading, time to market, size of market, unit size and layout, etc.

It is surprising that Amli took down such a large parcel for a single building, but they may have felt the market would reward a site plan with a feeling of openness and generous landscaping.

One thing that concerns me is the effects on microclimate of such a large smooth wall facing west. Unless there are projecting ledges or mullions to turn the wind shear into a series of small eddies, that west-facing wall will create extremely unpleasant winter conditions for the residents walking to the parking garage.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 05:21 AM   #687
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one problem is that many nimbys think that curb cuts are better so the alley doesn't get too crowded (By the way, the GSLA was able to get XO to eliminate a curb cut entrance just north of 18th on Prairie)

ErmDiego, your naivete on how the city works, and the amount of control civic/community groups actually have is revealing...many projects you must know are built 'as-of-right', and guess what? community groups have absolutely no oversight right other then confirming that the developement follows existing zoning laws....
A) X/O 2-3 Curb-cuts still remain on Prairie; so nothing was really
eliminated, when there should only be one.
B) So are you now saying 'NYMBY's insisted on curb cuts, and front
roll-up garage door entrances at 1600 Prairie(where a GSLA board
member lives), and 1712 S. Michigan, and are not a product of
insufficient review.
C) As to your second quote " your naivete on how the city works, and the amount of control civic/community groups actually have is revealing...many projects you must know are built 'as-of-right', and guess what? community groups have absolutely no oversight right other"

If that is the position your organization chooses to make, than spend time in areas that need your representation, and don't undermine those who are willing tackle other issues than zoning and height. 'As-of-right' does not mean the developer does what ever they want and the City rolls-over and ask for nothing. There are other issues that need discussion and negotiation on that benefit the neighborhood, or are basic project completion issues that many of these developers are not completing. In addition to basic development quality and accountability, a simple example; if they rip up roads for curbs for sewer connections, fix it, now. Why should residents wait 8 years for a CDOT project to fix, when it should be done as part of the project? Others here can provide countless more examples... open space funds, lighting, streetscape, traffic control, construction parking plans, Chicago resident hiring opportunities and job training development, etc. What about just basic open communication of said developers LLC history? Oh no, we might offend a developer who is advertising at our Neighborhood event.

Good developers should be rewarded, connected or not. But many of these developers are getting direct TIF Money up front or indirectly in the form of CDOT, sewer, traffic control, lighting, etc. infrastructure, and still dropping the ball. Let those who care advocate negotiation or demand these things have a shot.

John McCarron had a good example of this in today's Tribune.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...inionfront-hed
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 05:54 AM   #688
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It isn't clear to me that "tall and thin" is actually much more than a PowerPoint presentation that Sam Assefa gives. I haven't actually heard of any PDs being altered, and it's interesting that he's no longer in the Mayor's Office.
^ What happened to Assefa?
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 06:02 AM   #689
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^ What happened to Assefa?
He was sent back to DPD, where his duties are sort of undefined.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 06:40 AM   #690
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He was sent back to DPD, where his duties are sort of undefined.
So who has the shot as Ms. Healey's replacement?
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 07:14 AM   #691
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I doubt it will be a planner. Mayor Daley might bring back Judy Rice as head of a combined DPD/Zoning department.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 08:02 AM   #692
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 04:27 PM   #693
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If that is the position your organization chooses to make, than spend time in areas that need your representation, and don't undermine those who are willing tackle other issues than zoning and height.
Do you really even read my posts? Compare the long list of accomplishments (most of which went way beyond 'height or zoning' by the GSLA to any civic organization in this city, and I believe it will campare very favorable....(BTW, add to that list the hosting of 3 aldermanic forums in this last election alone)

Does the GSLA have the resources or the mission to resolve every pothole issue on every street in the South Loop? No.

If the PDNA actually can help on any of the issues you mention beyond 'height and zoning', more power to you and I'm sure the GSLA would like to help in any way it can.

You stated in an earlier post that ALL civic groups begin over a NIMBY protest, which is almost always true....The GSLA, however, did not. It started with a very positive mission to improve the quality of life, sense of community, and with a desire to maintain the diversity of the greater South Loop.
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 06:52 PM   #694
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You stated in an earlier post that ALL civic groups begin over a NIMBY protest, which is almost always true....The GSLA, however, did not. It started with a very positive mission to improve the quality of life, sense of community, and with a desire to maintain the diversity of the greater South Loop.
Fine organization, But people should feel free to point out that the GSLA organization is accepting money and sponsorship money from developers whose developments it is 'reviewing and approving on behalf of the residents'.

Some may find the 'appearance' interesting, of the founder and former president of the GSLA going on to run in the last 3rd Ward election, with some timely donations from a few of the same 2nd Ward developers in question, which happended to be a few of his only donations received? hmmm

It appears to some residents that a few of these developers are following the same formula:
A -- Join the NSPB, 'a developer run chamber of commerce' and
sponsor an event there who claim to represent residents needs.
B -- Sponsor events for the GSLA and get their support
C -- Donate to Alderman (now not part of the equation with new Alderman)
so she would stay out of the way.

A + B + C = (used to) two letters of support from groups claiming to represent the residents to DPD despite what actual impacted community residents issues are still on the table.
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Just seems that many of the current projects like Vision on State, Amli900, Museum Park Place Tower I & II (not built yet), 1712 S. Michigan, are even further away from this "tall & thin" concept that we keep hearing about. Other than the Columbian (because of it's height), it seems like a reverse direction...?
Many of these projects were approved before that concept really took hold.
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Took hold where? With whom?

Please name any PD other than OMPW where DPD asked for a form different from what the developer presented.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 01:00 AM   #697
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A Whole New ballgame:FOOD | Whole Foods brings rivalry to growing markets

A Whole new ballgame
FOOD | Whole Foods brings rivalry to growing markets

July 5, 2007
BY SANDRA GUY [email protected]


The Whole Foods store opening Aug. 8 in the South Loop shows off the retailer's theatrical food flair, complete with a waterfall, a smokehouse for meats, and railyard motifs that harken to the neighborhood's industrial past.

Shoppers will be able to buy wine by the glass to sip while they browse the aisles, smell the aroma from an in-store coffee-bean roaster, and use a dressing room to try on Whole Foods' largest array of organically grown clothes, including a "Whole Baby" section.


"The decor will feature train yards, the Chicago skyline and historic photos of Maxwell Street," said Laura Henke, the South Loop store team leader, a Chicago native and a 14-year veteran at Whole Foods.

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The Crumlish family walk past the produce section of the Whole Foods grocery store in Edgebrook.
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The new Whole Foods store is scheduled to open Aug. 8 at Roosevelt and Canal.
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The store will feature familiar foods, too, such as locally grown organic produce, a bakery with made-from-scratch breads and pastries and on-the-spot servings of fresh meat and seafood. The store's chef, Brette Jackson, a native of Pilsen, will host cooking classes and oversee the store's culinary center. Each store buys its own merchandise, so the goods vary from one to another.
The 55,000-square-foot store -- the largest built so far in the Chicago area -- will prove a tough rival to a Dominick's Lifestyle store across the highway, and a Jewel store at Roosevelt and Wabash.

The Whole Foods store will be the retail anchor of the Southgate Market mall on the north side of Roosevelt at Canal. More than 2,000 people applied for the store's 200 jobs.

"The growth of a new, larger, urban Whole Foods is going to raise the bar significantly in upscale food retailing in the Chicago market," said Bill Bishop, chairman of Willard Bishop, a retail consultancy in Barrington.

Whole Foods is trying to shed its high-cost nickname, "Whole Paycheck," by offering value prices and more private-label goods. Examples include a 13-ounce box of Corn Flakes for $1.99, a half-gallon of vanilla ice cream for $3.99 and 12 ounces of tuna fillet for $4.99.

The retailer also is answering customers' demands for prepared foods, bulk items and seasonal variety. Examples include oven-ready meats; a rotisserie; bulk packages of tea, salts and chocolate, and 8-ounce packets of private-label "Whole Fields" branded baby carrots and Pattypan squash.

"Our South Loop store is an excellent example of the rising trend of people looking to simplify" and find healthy foods in their community, said Patrick Bradley, Whole Foods' Midwest Regional president.

The store, with driving entrances from Roosevelt and Canal and a mall entrance, will have 200 dedicated parking spaces and 140 bike racks, plus access to the mall parking lot with 1,100 spaces. The Canal Street entrance will be closed Sundays during August for the Maxwell Street market, which is being moved.

The Southgate Market shopping center sits amid an explosive retail scene. Home Depot sits a block to the west, while a Roosevelt Collection condo-and-retail center is planned next to the Target store at Roosevelt and Clark. The Roosevelt Collection, just west of the Target store, will house specialty retailers, six or seven restaurants, a high-end coffee shop and, reportedly, retailers such as Victoria's Secret and Banana Republic.

Whole Foods also will open new stores at the Center on Halsted, a gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community center at Halsted and Waveland Avenues, on July 25; in suburban Northbrook on Aug. 29, and next year, a relocated flagship store just south of North Avenue near the intersection of Sheffield and Kingsbury.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 07:35 PM   #698
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Chicago: South Wabash Avenue mixed-use, 1935 S. Wabash Ave., 180-unit mixed-use development, October 2007, $50 million.

Chicago: The Interior Furniture Building, 1340 S. Michigan Ave., 14,804-square-foot apartment conversion, August 2007, $750,000.

Chicago: South Loop Commons, 1002 S. Canal St., 567,341-square-foot retail building and parking garage, September 2007, $33.5 million.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #700
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^Hmm, high density strip malls. Isn't this type of thing more prevalent in LA. That whole area is looking like North & clybourn.

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Chicago: South Wabash Avenue mixed-use, 1935 S. Wabash Ave., 180-unit mixed-use development, October 2007, $50 million.
^Is this the eco18 apartment project?
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