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Old August 3rd, 2007, 01:57 AM   #861
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Wow! If McCormick gets any bigger it's going to develop it's own gravitational field.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 02:13 AM   #862
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More like a black hole. Every time they expand it they promise that it will do great things for the surrounding neighborhoods, and then MPEA does everything they can to keep conventioneers from ever leaving the mothership. So at this point, after 50 years, the positive McCormick Place spinoffs in the surrounding neighborhood consist of . . .

Wheeler House bed & breakfast.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 02:35 AM   #863
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[QUOTE=PrintersRowBoiler;14559518]I don't remember that discussion happening. No I do not want Fioretti to say the exact same things you said 6 months ago (unless that is exactly the reason he will not support the referendum).

I think it would be prudent if FIORETTI (not some novice sitting behind his computer from NYC) to tell his WARD (in particular the 70+% who voted for the referendum and not just me and the other handful of constituents that visit this board) why FIORETTI will not support the new legislation.

He did during the campaign. Big parking garage pedestals, not really a solution to street parking, etc.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 02:38 AM   #864
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Thanks for the links Mr DT. Its a shame that nothing commercial really materialized from that property yet. Condos and hotels are ok, but it'd be nice if there was something to do. It would make sense for them to have those options for conventioneers, and im sure a development like that would be successful in bringing business to that area and chinatown.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 02:43 AM   #865
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In theory, your points are ok, in practice however some problems emerge. You basically imply that it is ok to be bought by some constituencies (labor unions) but not by others (developers). Your attempt to portray the union as not having purchased undue influence is somewhat less than convincing.

I am not implying anything. Fioretti took stands in the campaign, living wage, construction projects in the 2nd ward training/hiring 2nd ward residents, that were consistent with labor union desires, without any ebenfit from the labor unions. They didn't endorse him in the primary nor did they offer support (while certainly they spent money on anti-haithcock.) Your premise is he is beholden to them now is wrong. As to taking a stance that he won't take money from one group means he shouldn't take it from any is silly. Have you not heard of conflict of interest? His no developer money pledge extends to developers who have projects up for approval in the ward. There is every reason to hold to that promise.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 10:29 AM   #866
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The Harold L. Ickes Homes are one of very few projects owned by the Chicago Housing Authority whose redevelopment plans could not be determined.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 07:50 PM   #867
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^ Where did that come from? Anyway, those projects should not be demolished IMO, they dont fit the highrise profile and dont seem as bad as many of the others were. Maybe a renovation could be needed (like they are doing with altgeld, hilliard and others), but Ive never been inside them, just walk by them a lot. Hopefully the new upscale population doesnt try to force them out, seeing as those buildings were there first.
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Old August 5th, 2007, 09:17 PM   #868
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Chicago Tribune

180 units are planned at 1935 S. Wabash site (NE corner of Wabash and Cullerton) in South Loop. The sales center is located at 1454 S. Mich Ave.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 01:19 AM   #869
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Old August 6th, 2007, 02:35 AM   #870
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Loopy is right (mostly) about the Harold Ickes Homes being used as a transition spot for families resettled teporarity from now-demolished projects.

There has been a downside to that use. Drug sellers from demolished sites have tried to set up shop at Ickes, thus taking customers from long-time Ickes dealers.

Two years ago, a bunch of residents were transferred to Ickes from the now-demolished Prairie Courts buildings at 28th and Prairie. The teenagers in the former Prairie Courts families tried to deal from an Ickes base. The result was a double murder. In fact, I passed the murder scene at 23rd and State before they brought the bodies out, with the cops, yellow tape, EMS, and all the neighborhood kids there for the show.

My one beef with Ickes is the northernmost building. I would like to see it demolished to put a commercial building there that would help fill in a near-continuous commerical path from McCormick Place to Chinatown.

Currently, Ickes, together with the Hilliard Homes, and even the dead space in front of the new school, all combine to create a "desert," that the conventioneer perceives as unknown and unsafe. It may be only a psychological barrier, but that in itself is important to recognize. We need to close the perceived barrier and "distance" between McCormick Place and Chinatown.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 04:33 AM   #871
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Ickes is still a mess.

A Tunnel Becomes a Bridge Between Two 21st District Communities


"What this tunnel represents is a bridge, a further enhancement of the partnerships we're building every day," says Public Housing Section Commander Ernest Brown. The tunnel brings together the people of Beat 2113.

It is a vital link which connects the Ickes Public Housing Complex to Chinatown. Cutting under the train tracks, it is the shortest route for Ickes children attending Haines Elementary in Chinatown. But the tunnel became unsafe because of criminal activity and disrepair, and had to be closed for a three-week period.

Lighting was inadequate, graffiti covered the walls, and garbage cluttered the walkway. The gangs that took over began snatching purses and engaging in other crimes. Residents at both ends of the tunnel decided that something had to be done, and, working with the 21st District CAPS program, they mobilized City services for a total clean-up. Garbage was carted away. Graffiti were removed, and the walls were painted. New lighting was installed. Overgrown shrubbery was cleared, thus eliminating potential hiding places for criminals.

Now the tunnel is a place where both children and adults can feel secure, and the children don't have to contend with dangerous streets going to and from school. As further protection for the children, the District has stationed a squad car outside the tunnel during school hours.

The tunnel now closes at 8:00 at night and opens at 6:00 in the morning. Plans are under way to get the African-American parents at one end of the tunnel, and the Chinese parents at the other end, involved in the safe passage of the children.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 05:31 AM   #872
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Old August 6th, 2007, 06:01 AM   #873
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopy View Post
Thanks for posting that. How recent was it? I could not Google the original.

Anyway, I always like it when low income housing issues are discussed on these forums. The issues involved with subsidized and below market rate housing are just as critical to overall fabric of our city as luxury development.

Keep it coming.

An inquiry: I keep reading media accounts of a "Ghetto Tour" of South Side projects, namely Dearborn Homes. But, I can't find any info about how to connect with the tour and sign up. Does anybody know anything about this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072200455.html
To find out about the tour, I suppose you could contact the Residents Journal, the publication for CHA residents. A lady named Beauty Turner, a reporter for the Residents Journal, gives the "ghetto tour."
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Old August 6th, 2007, 07:39 AM   #874
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Reference for Ikes quote.

The quote is taken from the CPD Prairie District web site.
The full address is:

http://egov.cityofchicago.org:80/cit...t&context=dept
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Old August 6th, 2007, 10:24 PM   #875
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Old August 7th, 2007, 06:54 PM   #876
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South Loop Park get huge influx of Capital $$$

[url]http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=2161[\url]

I found this at Chicago Real Estate Daily: I wonder what 121 million dollars will do to these 4 parking lots?

Date: 07/11/07
Borrower: Dearborn Parking Corp
Lender: Mb Financial Bank Na
Address: 601 S Dearborn St., Chicago 60605
Amount: $31,180,000

Date: 07/11/07
Borrower: Auditorium Park One LLC
Lender: Mb Financial Bank Na
Address: 525 S Wabash Ave., Chicago 60605
Amount: $31,180,000

Date: 07/11/07
Borrower: Plymouth Court Garage Co.
Lender: Mb Financial Bank Na
Address: 711 S Plymouth Ct, Chicago 60605
Amount: $31,180,000

Date: 07/11/07
Borrower: Wabash Harrison Park One LLC
Lender: Mb Financial Bank Na
Address: 50 E Harrison St., Chicago 60605
Amount: $31,180,000
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Old August 7th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #877
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Something's funny, though. Why would four parking lots under presumably separate ownership--though all are operated by Park One--be mortgaged for the exact same dollar amount?
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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #878
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McPier board considers condemning property near McCormick expansion
Nancy Stone, August 2, 2007


The agency that runs McCormick place on Tuesday weighed a legal move that would open the door for a vast expansion of hotel offerings at the convention center.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...0,689964.story
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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:29 PM   #879
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601 S Dearborn St: That is a prime spot, would love some sort of developement there

525 S Wabash Ave: Read a long time ago (1 yr ago?) that the owner of this lot was going to develop/or sell to build student living.

What would a surface lot need this much cash for?

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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:49 PM   #880
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I think we're mistakenly focusing on the properties listed. Isn't it more likely that Park One (or the unnamed owner) is raising $121 million cash for some other reason by mortgaging four South Loop properties?
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