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Old September 2nd, 2007, 05:20 AM   #961
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In conclusion, I just want to say that while I've had many differences through the years with the parochial concerns of some DP residents, [b]I don't understand the schadenfreude I sometimes see exhibited on this board toward DP residents. These are, after all, people who invested their own financial well-being, energy, and family welfare in the concept of living in and reviving the Near South Side.[b]

Thank you for a thoughtful, intelligent, civil, and well articulated post regarding the DP situation. I fear, judging by John's general belligerence on this board, your time and typing have been wasted. Who knows why he is so hostile towards DP. It's almost pathological. Really.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 05:28 AM   #962
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I see the "Residents Only" sign was up again at the Dearborn 1 entry way, I thought they only did that during the week of the taste?
Bears games, too. Or maybe because of Jazz Fest.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 10:44 PM   #963
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It's a shame the resulting struggle was cast as black vs. white, as nearly all the DP kids were black, also. The DP parents were fiercely committed to the idea of real cultural and racial diversity in the school, but how that diversity manifested itself forced them to make some tough decisions about the theory of diversity vs. the reality of poor educational performance.

As the LSC era dawned, the "project" parents seized control in some rather ugly political battles, and the "DP" parents eventually, slowly, withdrew in frustration. So by the time NTA opened, I don't think a single Dearborn Park child attended the school in Dearborn Park. And the opening of NTA--as a local school with attendance boundaries encompassing the "projects"--is the factor you're overlooking in asking what's different today from in 1985.

In conclusion, I just want to say that while I've had many differences through the years with the parochial concerns of some DP residents, I don't understand the schadenfreude I sometimes see exhibited on this board toward DP residents. These are, after all, people who invested their own financial well-being, energy, and family welfare in the concept of living in and reviving the Near South Side.
Where do you draw on the statistics that most of the Dearborn park students were black? The other point is reviving the near south side? Is that really what they moved there to do? Look at the west side development that took place within a similar type of area, by taking things a block at a time, a building here and there without the need for a residents only mentality and enclave. I don't think you revive an area by placing enclaves within it.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 01:32 AM   #964
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Look at the west side development that took place within a similar type of area
There is no comparison between the expansion that has taken place in Greek Town and the expansion that has taken place in the DP area. They are not even close. If you want to find a similar area, you could look to University Village.

p.s Good post, JJ. You actually made it through the whole thing without name calling or telling a lie. I am impressed. Surprised, but impressed none-the-less.

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Old September 3rd, 2007, 03:21 AM   #965
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Attendance at South Loop School

According to 2006 CPS data, the school is 64.6% black, 21.4% white and 6.8% asian: 37.4% of the students are low income. Since the demographics of the area are changing dramatically, one would expect the ratios to change over time.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 04:45 AM   #966
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 05:08 AM   #967
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:21 AM   #968
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Are you implying that "Prairie Avenue" is "Big John J"?....I am tempted to call you a troll.
Call me what you will. PA is Big John J. No doubt about it.
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 06:40 AM   #969
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 03:16 PM   #970
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Busting the grid through DP serves no purpose other than to bust the grid through DP. But if that is important to you, that is your business.

As far as JJ is concerned, he is up for reelection in April. He's going to need your vote. I am sure that he is relieved that he can count on yours. He's up for a rough reelection, for sure.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 01:37 AM   #971
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^Thanks for the reply.

Anybody who wants to bust the grid through Dearborn Park is OK in my book. Plus, the American Psychiatric Association hasn't, yet, assesed the "Fear of Tall Buildings" disorder. So, it isn't fair to call him crazy.
He clearly isn't here to speak about skyscrapers --troll would be correct in terms of this forum. I doubt anyone here really cares to hear his thoughts about someone's chances of re election to an LSC. If I am who he says I am, my email is posted at the school's website -- why not communicate directly?
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Old September 4th, 2007, 04:03 AM   #972
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Has signs up announcing "Sam's Wine and Spirits Warehouse"

Oh well, the Fox and Obel rumor never really seemed that solid. I hope that Sam's "Marcey Street Market" is part of the deal at least.
Intertesting. Time will tell if it is a worthy inhabitant of that location. Binnys is opening a huge liquor depot by Whole Foods.

But competition is a good thing
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Old September 4th, 2007, 05:10 AM   #973
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Old September 4th, 2007, 05:12 AM   #974
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Old September 4th, 2007, 02:48 PM   #975
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How do you feel about skyscrapers, say X/O or Park Michigan?

Honest question.
You have five months of comments from me about XO. I have always thought LaGrange goofed with it's streetscape -- the townhomes fit neither the alleged character of the neighborhood (Glessner) nor the style of the towers, they are ugly and institutional looking from the renderings. I also have serious questions about directing all the in and out garage traffic through the alley -- this would be a real danger at 18th and 16th. Properly done XO would be a landmark for the area.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 06:08 PM   #976
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I have always thought LaGrange goofed with it's streetscape -- the townhomes fit neither the alleged character of the neighborhood (Glessner) nor the style of the towers, they are ugly and institutional looking from the renderings. I also have serious questions about directing all the in and out garage traffic through the alley -- this would be a real danger at 18th and 16th.
John, I am not sure why he asked you that. Everyone knows you are opposed to X/O. Not in your backyard, right?
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Old September 4th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #977
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How do you feel about skyscrapers, say X/O or Park Michigan?

Honest question.
I am not opposed to skyscrapers, as long as they are properly planned. If the developer allows for ample parking (including guest parking) and the area can handle the additional traffic flow, I have no issue. Blocked views are not a big issue to me. Welcome to city life. When people scream about blocked views, they are often living in a building the went up and blocked someone else's view.

The real issue to me is that many of these places do not provide sufficient enough parking for the residents and their guests. Look at the two buildings going up on State Street just south of Roosevelt. One is a rental building. Are they going to be providing enough parking for all of the tenants and enough parking for a reasonable number of guests? Not likely. Does parking automatically come with each unit or does the tenant pay more for optional parking? With optional parking, many tenants will choose to not pay for the parking and try to find street parking. At many times of the day, State St. backs up from Roosevelt south past 14th street. The traffic already backs up past both of these buildings and when you add in the cars and traffic from two high rise/mid rise buildings, the traffic is gridlocked. That's not to mention the traffic for the stores and restaurants in the ground floor spaces of the building.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #980
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I am not opposed to skyscrapers, as long as they are properly planned. If the developer allows for ample parking (including guest parking) and the area can handle the additional traffic flow, I have no issue. Blocked views are not a big issue to me. Welcome to city life. When people scream about blocked views, they are often living in a building the went up and blocked someone else's view.

The real issue to me is that many of these places do not provide sufficient enough parking for the residents and their guests. Look at the two buildings going up on State Street just south of Roosevelt. One is a rental building. Are they going to be providing enough parking for all of the tenants and enough parking for a reasonable number of guests? Not likely. Does parking automatically come with each unit or does the tenant pay more for optional parking? With optional parking, many tenants will choose to not pay for the parking and try to find street parking. At many times of the day, State St. backs up from Roosevelt south past 14th street. The traffic already backs up past both of these buildings and when you add in the cars and traffic from two high rise/mid rise buildings, the traffic is gridlocked. That's not to mention the traffic for the stores and restaurants in the ground floor spaces of the building.
^ And your solution to the congestion problem is more parking? How about focusing your efforts on pressuring your Alderman to push for more frequent bus service?

I would argue (and have argued) that less parking, not more, should be provided. Are you not interested in creating a pedestrian-friendly neighborhood with more amenities within walking distance, or do you actually like 100 foot high blank parking podiums, and having to compete with cars every time you walk down the sidewalk?

You're trying to fix a fractured hip with a bandaid by assuming that the source of traffic is people looking for street parking, and that providing gargantuan amounts of panic-parking (as I like to call it) in garages will solve the problem. Have you ever considered that the main source of traffic congestion in your still-largely undeveloped neighborhood is a culture of driving everywhere, encouragement of driving, and poor public transportation? How will providing even more parking do anything at all to solve this?
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