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Old October 5th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #1081
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Lenar had 3 towers ranging from 34 stories to 42 stories, with 1000 units. Avalon has 2 towers with 1000 units can we expect avolon to be above 50 floors?

Notice that there only showing the tops of these 2. I counted 32 floors visable on the right tower Which may be the North Tower.
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Old October 5th, 2007, 02:40 AM   #1082
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Lenar had 3 towers ranging from 34 stories to 42 stories, with 1000 units. Avalon has 2 towers with 1000 units can we expect avolon to be above 50 floors?

Notice that there only showing the tops of these 2. I counted 32 floors visable on the right tower Which may be the North Tower.
If so, these two towers will really dominate the western skyline in the South Loop! (well from my view anyway)
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Old October 5th, 2007, 03:42 PM   #1083
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Wow. 1000 apartments, some occupied by more than one person, is quite impressive. How many people is that, 1200 maybe?

That will definitely inject quite some activity into the area. Very good news.

The best part is that they don't need to worry about presales to get this puppy started
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Old October 5th, 2007, 05:53 PM   #1084
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So, no one attended the 2nd ward meeting last night? Bummer. Everyone must have been out at the bars, watching the Cubbies get spanked...AGAIN...
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Old October 5th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #1085
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Old October 5th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #1086
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So, no one attended the 2nd ward meeting last night? Bummer. Everyone must have been out at the bars, watching the Cubbies get spanked...AGAIN...

I was there along with about 160 people. Fogelson ran the show, tried to limit it to a show off of the building 3 and coming building four, meeting was just the addition of floors and slimming of floorplate. Very few questions asked relevant to meeting purpose as people tried to get sidetracked on issues of safety -- the recent drops onto Roosevelt, and typical congestion, not enough visitor parking, etc. GSLA guy confronted alderman wanting a yes or no on tall and thin as basic bulding premise, Fioretti dodged and said depends on the architect and site which I thought was appropriate.
Building renderings looked good if you can get past the ugly parking pedestal footprint. Damn those parking spot requirements.
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Old October 5th, 2007, 08:13 PM   #1087
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Old October 6th, 2007, 03:58 AM   #1088
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O'Neill put forth New York and Boston as the prototypes for his vision. Tough to think midwestern Chicago will get there. While I agree with his basic premise that tall buildings don't in and of themself create traffic gridlock he was just as guilty as taking the meeting off track and into the realm of what folks would here refer to as NIMBY distractions. He should have stuck to bookending the park and the importance of creating significant architecture. In fact, that ought to be the answer all these developers use and leave it at that. I would have greater respect for Fogelson (and told him so) if he would simply state his interest is creating the biggest and best and most profitable buildings he can build, and that it is up to the city planning and zoning to deal with the NIMBY like concerns.

But thank goodness no one was there protesting the fence in dearborn II
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Old October 6th, 2007, 04:40 AM   #1089
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Old October 6th, 2007, 05:38 AM   #1090
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I didn't see anyone there from DPD, which tells us a lot about what Chicago planners think of public participation.

Though I'm certain that Fioretti forced Fogelson to have the meeting in the first place, did you notice how cleverly it was arranged so that no meaningful discussion would actually occur? First we wasted a half-hour seeing a commercial about how wonderful the countertops were in Central Station units. Then some guy who'd apparently never used PowerPoint was put in charge of showing the images. Any questions about the larger community were declared off-topic. The number of units and parking ratio was negotiated years ago, so not open for discussion. We're here to talk about whether we can add 10 extra floors, but that's the only design we brought. Have a question about traffic? The traffic study, which you can't see, says there won't be any problem. Have a question about shadowing of Grant Park? We only brought studies for June 22, the best possible condition, and December 21, an irrelevant one. Have a question about microclimate and wind shear? Tell a whopper about how the wind loading test required by Buildings somehow takes that into account.

No wonder the bird lady is the most memorable attendee.
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Old October 6th, 2007, 07:17 AM   #1091
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Old October 6th, 2007, 09:35 AM   #1093
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Old October 7th, 2007, 02:34 PM   #1094
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From Crains "Construction Pipeline:

http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...age.pl?id=2166



And also from BidClerk:

http://www.bidclerk.com/project.324581.html




Don't get too excited though. There's a whole lot of road between here and there, and March 2008 is ridiculous.
These sites that sell info to potential bidders make their money by subscriptions. They can sell more subscriptions if they list more projects so of course they'll list on the slightest rumor. When I was wearing a developer hat I was constantly contacted from these kind of people. McGraw Hill was one that was relentless, evidently they wanted to at least verify their information.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 03:15 AM   #1095
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I didn't see anyone there from DPD, which tells us a lot about what Chicago planners think of public participation.

Though I'm certain that Fioretti forced Fogelson to have the meeting in the first place, did you notice how cleverly it was arranged so that no meaningful discussion would actually occur? First we wasted a half-hour seeing a commercial about how wonderful the countertops were in Central Station units. Then some guy who'd apparently never used PowerPoint was put in charge of showing the images. Any questions about the larger community were declared off-topic. The number of units and parking ratio was negotiated years ago, so not open for discussion. We're here to talk about whether we can add 10 extra floors, but that's the only design we brought. Have a question about traffic? The traffic study, which you can't see, says there won't be any problem. Have a question about shadowing of Grant Park? We only brought studies for June 22, the best possible condition, and December 21, an irrelevant one. Have a question about microclimate and wind shear? Tell a whopper about how the wind loading test required by Buildings somehow takes that into account.

No wonder the bird lady is the most memorable attendee.

What would you guys like to see by way of community input? Building by building after DPD approval seems a waste of time. I wonder if the alderman could put together central station and DPD into a community meeting where they speak to their plans over the next 10-15 years for the undeveloped areas in the south loop and beyond.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 05:14 PM   #1096
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The shadow man was also there. He's pretty cool too.
That is what passes for cool at these meetings, unfortunately. Is Shadow Man on record for tall and thin over short and blocky?
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Old October 9th, 2007, 02:22 AM   #1097
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Old October 9th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #1099
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Not as bad as I had feared, but no great shakes either.

Were you not there for the developer presentation this summer? Moderately priced units, seemed hopeful of decent first floor commercial space, had a wading pool for residents which was their single innovation.
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