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Old February 4th, 2009, 06:50 AM   #1861
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Planned addition to 1212 South Michigan, designed by Gensler. Reconfiguring workout room and racquetball court space next to the alley and taking in a small unused lawn area on the corner of Roosevelt/Michigan for a two-story plus roof deck restaurant and sports-themed bar:

^ So I take it Armani Exchange didn't work out?
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Old February 4th, 2009, 03:24 PM   #1862
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Planned addition to 1212 South Michigan, designed by Gensler. Reconfiguring workout room and racquetball court space next to the alley and taking in a small unused lawn area on the corner of Roosevelt/Michigan for a two-story plus roof deck restaurant and sports-themed bar:


Where is that from? I like the sound of it!
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Old February 4th, 2009, 06:25 PM   #1863
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Where is that from?
A very ambiguous question with several possible answers . . .

Where did that idea come from?
Not sure; possibly the former owner of 1212, who commissioned the A|X drawings.

Where did that tenant come from? A South Loop resident who's involved in the hospitality industry and saw an opportunity.

Where did that design come from? Gensler

Where did that image come from?
Photographed surreptitiously off the screen at a recent private presentation. Apparently a public meeting will be scheduled soon.

Where is the viewpoint for the image?
It's a rendering, from an imaginary point high above Grant Park.
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Old February 5th, 2009, 04:47 AM   #1864
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All of the above! Thanks!
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Old February 6th, 2009, 11:10 PM   #1865
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Lou Canellis is attached to the project -- a sports bar/theme.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #1866
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Columbia College Construction Starts

Seems like the Columbia College construction on 16th/State has finally started.

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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:00 PM   #1867
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South Loop Freight Traffic Elimination

Long time reader first time contributor to this thread.

Not sure if this was mentioned/discussed earlier but after more than a year of regulatory review, public hearings and contentious debate, Canadian National Railway Company closed its $300 million deal to purchase the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (EJ&E) and took over the line last Sunday, 2/1/09, which is great news for South Loopers.

The train tracks which parallel 16th Street to the north then turns south running next to the Prairie District is part of a historic stretch of track called the St. Charles Air Line (SCAL). It won't be overnight, but as soon as Canadian National can divert rail traffic to the EJ&E in the suburbs (March 4th according to the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1665102.story

they will abandon the SCAL forever—leaving just 6 Amtrak trips per day as its only traffic. The absence of screeching freight traffic with its rolling graffiti and fumes will be a welcome addition by subtraction to the South Loop.

The remaining six Amtrak trips have a solution as well. The future of all train use on the SCAL hinges upon a proposed Amtrak connection at Grand Crossings on Chicago's South Side (75th St. & S. Chicago Ave.). The Grand Crossing connection is not a foregone conclusion and the infrastructure doesn't exist, but the right-of-way is in place and southern Amtrak travel to-and-from Union Station would be expedited significantly. (As much as 40 minutes each way by some estimates).

The Grand Crossing connection is Mayor Daley's unicorn and it would finally allow him to build his mythical South Loop bikepath / greenway.

One step at a time. The elimination of freight traffic on the St. Charles Air Line is great news for the South Loop.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 06:20 PM   #1868
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^ Is it at all possible to not demo the SCAL but instead to preserve it for future transit use? After all, an east-west transit line may actually serve useful in a future South Loop that is denser and continues to suffer from poor east-west connections thanks to the myopic planning of Dearborn Park. Would the city not benefit from a transit connection between the South Loop and University Village, for example?

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Old February 7th, 2009, 07:55 PM   #1869
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^ Is it at all possible to not demo the SCAL but instead to preserve it for future transit use? After all, an east-west transit line may actually serve useful in a future South Loop that is denser and continues to suffer from poor east-west connections thanks to the myopic planning of Dearborn Park. Would the city not benefit from a transit connection between the South Loop and University Village, for example?
What do you have in mind? A tram/trolley? Maybe re-route the Orange Line along here? I think an East-West transit line would be better served on Roosevelt (BRT?). This would connect the Red, Green, and Orange line trains on Roosevelt going West to University Village and maybe even Roosevelt Square. It would also be nice to extend it to the Museums/Soldier Field.
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Old February 8th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #1870
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What do you have in mind? A tram/trolley? Maybe re-route the Orange Line along here? I think an East-West transit line would be better served on Roosevelt (BRT?). This would connect the Red, Green, and Orange line trains on Roosevelt going West to University Village and maybe even Roosevelt Square. It would also be nice to extend it to the Museums/Soldier Field.
I immediately thought of Soldier Field/McCormick place. Especially if the CTA were to open a green line stop at about 16th/17th, this could be a great feeder line from points west to the lakefront.
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Old February 8th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #1871
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Not preserving at least part of the SCAL for a future rail ROW would be an incredibly short-sighted mistake, IMO. Is it possible to convert a bike path back into transit use?
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Old February 10th, 2009, 02:10 AM   #1872
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Polk Street Red Line Entrance

I noticed this afternoon that the Polk Street Entrance for the Harrison stop is finally open! I'm heading North this evening, and can't wait to try it out!
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Old February 10th, 2009, 03:51 AM   #1873
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Add my voice to the chorus of folks thinking it would be short-sighted to abandon the St Charles Air Line.

Whatever is done with it, one tricky thing will be the frog at the Metra Rock Island tracks. If that's ever removed, I can't see Metra ever allowing either a rail line or busway to cross the tracks at grade. No one's ever mentioned how that will work with a hike/bike trail, but those are more forgiving about steep changes in grade or tight turns.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 08:44 AM   #1874
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Exactly what are the endpoints of the track that would be vacated? Does it include both of the sections of track that feed into the 16th St. tracks from the west (one from due west and one from the southwest)? It seems like a frustratingly short and ill-sited stretch of track for any purpose. As a bike trail it would be way too short for recreational use on its own (great route into the South Loop though, if it includes the bridge over the river) so I assume the idea would be to have it feed into the Lakefront Trail. The connection to Union Station is terrible--Amtrak trains have to back into the final approach. So assuming it's not possible to built a better connection into the station, where would a transit line go to the west? Into a Clinton subway maybe? Or does this free up ROW all the way out to the Pink Line, whatever good that might do? What are the possible connections to the south?
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Old February 12th, 2009, 12:21 AM   #1875
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St. Charles Line

I wouldn't look for this as a bike path. If Chicago gets the Olympics the Gateway Plan has big plans for 16th street as an access point to the harbor as well as Northerly Island. Whether people mover or monorail or tram they will look for some level of mass transit in that area.
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Old February 12th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #1876
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By way of a post at Crib Chatter, Vetro is planning on auctioning off 40 units on March 7. Starting prices begin at 30-50% off current ask (though it seems unlikely they'll finish that low). Probably just the first of many auctions in the area.

That's an interesting blog, although the decided northside bias can get pretty out of hand at times.

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Old February 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM   #1877
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By way of a post at Crib Chatter, Vetro is planning on auctioning off 40 units on March 7. Starting prices begin at 30-50% off current ask (though it seems unlikely they'll finish that low). Probably just the first of many auctions in the area.

That's an interesting blog, although the decided northside bias can get pretty out of hand at times.
McKinley Park Lofts through Habitat did a mass auction of their last 20-25 units recently, and some went for much less than 50% of pre-construction prices. There are deals to be made, but of course unless you have a renter you will bleed taxes and assessments until the market opens up again.
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Old February 14th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #1878
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...the Gateway Plan has big plans for 16th street as an access point to the harbor as well as Northerly Island.
Where did you find this information? I heard the bid book was much larger than the 61 page pdf I've seen posted, but I can't find it. I'd like to see more details about what is planned for the area south of town.
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Old February 14th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #1879
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Is the South Loop Chicago's Las Vegas?

In the YouTube video below, Coldwell Banker VP David Hall refers to the South Loop as "our Las Vegas." It's a meme that resonates on a number of levels - Las Vegas as a gambler's haven, as the poster-child for recent over-development, and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQzs33KIHKs

Is the South Loop our Las Vegas?
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