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Old February 26th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #1901
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I think the Printers Row Presidents organization objection was more about them being a player than about anything substantive. They sent a letter with a couple dozen questions, and wanted a letter responding to those. Apparently, Enrique didn't show up for a scheduled meeting with the church's lawyer Monday night, but came to the hearing Tuesday to bleat about not having gotten a written response.

I guess there's also misinformation floating around about the number of employees. Apparently the original attorney a couple of years ago accidentally said there would be 180 employees, when there will actually be 35, fewer than a dozen of them working full-time.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 05:18 AM   #1902
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Looks like the Scientology zoning change was approved, according to Chicago Journal.

Sorry, too lazy to post the link...
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Old February 27th, 2009, 06:55 AM   #1903
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Looks like the Scientology zoning change was approved, according to Chicago Journal.

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Great news! I am actually dissappointed in the reduction in the number of employees but am excited that this is moving forward (assuming City Council rubber stamps it). I hope Fioretti follows through and restricts the pamphlet distributing on Clark St (and elsewhere in the area).

Dennis, how come SLN did not take any position in the matter?

I enjoy Perez' enthusiasm when it comes to watching out for the neighborhood, but sometimes I wonder if he is crossing the line and making the neighborhood look too NIMBY (and consequently misrepresenting Printers Row). The fact he actually expressed unease for a drug rehab center at this building at a ZBA meeting does not sit well with me (as does the fact that the neighborhood is now "represented" by a group of people that requires the members to be president of a condo association).

How come South Loop Neighbors is starting to fizzle out? They were the first group to come in and really have a grass roots effort to represent what was going on around this area. Is it the lack of interest in participation? Is it Fioretti? I have always thought they have been very fair in their support (or lack thereof) of projects. I enjoyed that they would fascillitate an open meeting with the community when developers come in so everyone can have their issues discusses, not just the presidents of the associations behind closed doors.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 06:54 PM   #1904
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The fact he actually expressed unease for a drug rehab center at this building at a ZBA meeting does not sit well with me (as does the fact that the neighborhood is now "represented" by a group of people that requires the members to be president of a condo association).
I agree with you on the specific case, but I think a board presidents' group is not so bad in theory. At something like SLN you tend to get more of the residents who are highly motivated for one reason or another, and also have time to seriously participate, which is not everyone in the neighborhood by any means.

A presidents' group is, in theory, representing the interests of their individual buildings and the residents who elected them, who have interests/desires of their own but aren't necessarily going to put in the time to come to SLN meetings. Having both types of views represented is useful, I think. (If the presidents are accurately representing the views/interests of their residents, which is not necessarily the case.) The thing is, I don't know how many condo residents even know that their presidents are acting for them in this way. This is the first time I've really heard of them elevated into anything more than an information-trading role, though, so maybe they're just drunk with power at being asked by the alderman for their okay on something.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 08:22 PM   #1905
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I can only give one data point, but the reports from our president are limited to "I went to the meeting and the Church of Scientology came up". Maybe she reports more to the board, but certainly not in the monthly meetings.
Yeah, that's where the theory falls apart. Also, some boards are more representative than others, and they may suffer from the same highly motivated/time on their hands issues as any other volunteer role.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 08:33 PM   #1906
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how come SLN did not take any position in the matter?
I think SLN felt they didn't really have a dog in that fight. To treat the Church of Scientology and its few employees and members as something completely different from another business or institution of such modest size is to implicitly make a value judgment on the church itself. And the parking hysteria was just surreal, for a near-Loop location with mostly night and weekend activities. The alderman did call SLN's president to discuss the rezoning, and they discussed what conditions it might be wise to include—as well as the legal trickiness of doing so. Restricting sidewalk leafleting or solicitation, for instance, would be blatantly unconstitutional, though the church said at the meeting they had no plans to do so and the pedestrian counts on South Clark would probably cause them to give up from boredom anyway.

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How come South Loop Neighbors is starting to fizzle out?
I don't think it is. In the current climate, there are obviously many fewer developments being proposed, and Alderman Fioretti likes to have one public meeting that he sponsors rather than letting the developers present to SLN and other associations. This became a point of some friction on the GP3 & 4 towers, as the alderman's office defended the one badly managed meeting in Oct. 2007, to which only Central Station residents were specifically invited, as sufficient neighborhood discussion of the proposal.

SLN is trying to do a number of "community building" activities, educational programs, and tours this year. There was a free dinner for members Feb. 11 at Trattoria Caterina, there will be a networking night March 11 at Grace Place, and (probably) a free members night at Jazz Showcase on March 24.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #1907
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A presidents' group is, in theory, representing the interests of their individual buildings and the residents who elected them, who have interests/desires of their own but aren't necessarily going to put in the time to come to SLN meetings. Having both types of views represented is useful, I think. (If the presidents are accurately representing the views/interests of their residents, which is not necessarily the case.) The thing is, I don't know how many condo residents even know that their presidents are acting for them in this way. This is the first time I've really heard of them elevated into anything more than an information-trading role, though, so maybe they're just drunk with power at being asked by the alderman for their okay on something.
I can only give one data point, but the reports from our president are limited to "I went to the meeting and the Church of Scientology came up". Maybe she reports more to the board, but certainly not in the monthly meetings.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 06:47 PM   #1908
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Developer of Blake Hotel and other projects indicted in Ohio:

http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...ws.pl?id=33164
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Old March 11th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #1909
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D2 talking about 60,000 sq ft of retail for 1000 South Clark.

http://www.suntimes.com/business/roe...eder11.article
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Old March 12th, 2009, 12:44 AM   #1910
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http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...ws.pl?id=33273

2 properties near McCormick Place face foreclosure
By Alby Gallun, March 11, 2009


...CenterPoint Properties, an Oak Brook-based firm best known as an owner of industrial properties, sued husband-and-wife developers Pam Gleichman and Karl Norberg of Maine last month, alleging that entities they controlled failed to pay back a $37.1-million loan when it came due on Feb. 21.

The loan covers two properties immediately north of the McCormick Place convention center: the former American Book Co. building at 330 E. Cermak Road and another property just to the west at 230 E. Cermak Road.

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I was hoping the Extell deal would go through because they're usually willing to bring in better architects for their projects.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 01:30 AM   #1911
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D2 talking about 60,000 sq ft of retail for 1000 South Clark.

Complete with (temporary) surface parking lot and pad site. Hopefully we'll get one of these fine establishments
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Old March 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #1912
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^ Nice find, SG.

Dude, like what planet are you from? You seem to be the only forumer I know who can find the impossible. I was trying to find renderings of this project a few days ago and came up empty handed..
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Old March 13th, 2009, 07:17 AM   #1913
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Does anyone know what’s going on with the yet-to-open A Capella restaurant at 13th & Michigan, next to Panozzo’s Italian grocety store? The place looks like it could open any day, but it’s looked that way for at least a year. Last spring they had signs announcing a scheduled opening in February ’08, then it was pushed to March ’08, and now it seems to be on permanent hiatus…
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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:52 AM   #1914
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You mean that restaurant next to Panozzo has yet to open? I walk by there almost everyday and I always thought they just opened late in the day and closed early. The tables/chairs in there look nice and clean. I want more food in this area. Anyone know if there's any new retail/interesting construction coming around 16th/Michigan? I thought St. Mary's Church was expanding?
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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:37 AM   #1915
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Complete with (temporary) surface parking lot and pad site. Hopefully we'll get one of these fine establishments
How about a Trader Joe's! What about Carson's... they had said they wanted to move into the Roosevelt Collection and were denied. Or how about a Costco?
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:07 PM   #1916
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http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...ws.pl?id=33273

2 properties near McCormick Place face foreclosure
By Alby Gallun, March 11, 2009


...CenterPoint Properties, an Oak Brook-based firm best known as an owner of industrial properties, sued husband-and-wife developers Pam Gleichman and Karl Norberg of Maine last month, alleging that entities they controlled failed to pay back a $37.1-million loan when it came due on Feb. 21.

The loan covers two properties immediately north of the McCormick Place convention center: the former American Book Co. building at 330 E. Cermak Road and another property just to the west at 230 E. Cermak Road.

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I was hoping the Extell deal would go through because they're usually willing to bring in better architects for their projects.
Isnt one of these properties (the west one) recently landmarked? I thought they wanted to knock it down and build another hotel. So anyone know whats going to happen now?
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Old March 17th, 2009, 04:53 AM   #1917
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A Capella (restaurant next to Panozzo's) definitely has not opened. The space looks ready, there are permits posted on the windows, but nothing has changed for over a year. There must be a snag in getting the right permits, licensing, etc. Does anybody know hot to dig deeper and find out what's going on?
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Old March 19th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #1918
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Anyone know anything about the "Rock the House Ministry" (or whatever it's called) on 16th/Wabash? I think it's a church... I saw a sign there that stated a proposed expansion project for their current building. Since it's just a dead parking lot, I think it'll be a good addition to the neighborhood.

Cullertonian: I think we should just ask the Panozzo people if they know anything about ACapella since they are neighbors.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 04:52 PM   #1919
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True Rock Ministries is building an expansion to house offices, various after-school educational programs, and a fitness center. They've arranged to lease parking elsewhere on the block to replace the lost spaces.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 06:19 AM   #1920
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SMB - agreed, but Panozzo's always seems to be closed when I walk by. Let me know if you hear anything.
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