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'Unfinished freeways must go'
WEDNESDAY SEP 01, 2010
'Unfinished freeways must go' It's time for Cape Town's incomplete freeways on the Foreshore to go, says Andrew Boraine, chief executive of the Cape Town Partnership. "We need a decision from the City of Cape Town that the freeways will not be completed and that the unused bits will be excised with the same precision as the recent demolition of the Athlone Towers," he said. In 2002, the Cape Town Chamber of Commerce warned that the completion of the Foreshore freeway was "a big unresolved issue" that could affect the development of the central business district and the economy of the city. At the time, chamber director Albert Schuitmaker said the issue could not be left unresolved indefinitely. "We need a decision on whether or not it is going to happen, because this could affect every other transport and development decision in the city," he was quoted as saying. In March that year, the provincial government launched "a broad inclusive participatory planning process" to "reach consensus as to the appropriate development framework and transport solution to the Foreshore area". Four years later, city transport director Maddie Mazaza said that although the city wanted to complete the freeway, there was no budget to do so. And in 2007, the provincial parliament heard that the fly-overs would not be completed before the World Cup this year because of a lack of funds. Earlier this year, Boraine wrote on his blog, "Cities for people" that he was "struck by the sheer waste of space" on the Foreshore, and listed a number of desirable outcomes for the improved use of the space. The "booby prize" would be to allow the status quo - no decision on completing the freeways - to continue, leaving a "barren urban wasteland" in place indefinitely, he said at the time. "I know there are many other competing priorities in our city - housing, unemployment, education, health, basic services - but when are we going to grasp the nettle and agree that the second phase of the Foreshore freeways as originally planned will never be built, and that the extra bits must now come down to make space for other needs?" Boraine asked this week. He told the Cape Argus that a significant amount of land was being "sterilised" by freeways that were never going to be completed, and that the land could be put to much better use by demolishing the unfinished portions and using the "dead space" for projects such as the provincial urban-regeneration project, housing and mixed-use developments. Furthermore, the entire city should be reconnected to the Waterfront and the sea. "Let's just bite the bullet. We are calling for a decision to be made rather than be postponed," said Boraine. The overpasses were never completed because traffic volumes did not justify it, said City transport head Mike Marsden. "The idea was to complete it when traffic volumes required it, an acceptable engineering concept at the time." Their major function since has been as a movie set to the local and international productions - and parking space for the world's biggest vuvuzela. It might take a while for the city to take the first step and make the decision. Mayoral committee member for transport, roads and stormwater Elizabeth Thompson said she had repeatedly been asked what was being done about "unfinished bridges". At this stage neither their being knocked down nor their completion was on the agenda, she said. Although the city was looking at options and the "many proposals" made, the bridges would remain as they were "for now", she added. "They have been there so long. It is going to take a lot of money to complete a project someone else started." Ward councillor Belinda Walker said that in the long term everyone would be delighted to see the freeways taken down to free up land and reconnect the city with the sea. The freeways, both completed and uncompleted, inhibited "sensible planning" in the City Bowl area as far as Woodstock, said Walker. Funding was the main problem. "I agree they do not look good and we need to come to a conclusion. But what would it cost and what would the added value be?" she asked. Cape Argus http://www.iolproperty.co.za/roller/...eeways_must_go |
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Get something done either way- it just looks silly now after all these years. Is the traffic now heavy enough??
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Same situation like the Athlone Cooling Towers... and people are going to bitch.
While they up: Everyone is bitching how it is an eyesore, the space is wasted, that there would be more opportunity for development etc As they come Down: oh so sad. It was an Icon. We grew up with it. It was a bad decision on behalf of the city. Bitching continues but fades. Once they gone: Site remains empty for months-years while they continue to “investigate the possibilities for the new available land”. More Bitching |
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the Foreshore's current elevated freeways themselves allow the city to be connected to the waterfront at grade level. The outstanding ramps should be canceled and the unfinished portions demolished so that developments can come through. The question is how/whether to integrate the bulk cargo or some other working dock into the potential mixed use shore. What can/will Transnet have to offer?
http://www.transnetportterminals.net...sp?Terminal=14
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I hate that concept of "bitching for the sake of bitching." Moaning that you'll miss the Athlone cooling towers because you grew up with them, is like saying I don't want corrective surgery to my leg, because I grew up with Polio. Come on Capetonians!!!The Foreshore Freeways must go one of two routes, completion or demolition. The third route is the one I want, but the cash is not there and it will probably never happen: Cut-and-cover tunnel the entire freeway from Ebenhaezer Rd to Oswald Pirow. If they complete it: minimal pylon structures to ground level, it must be a architecturally-lit, cable-stayed iconic structure with major ground clearance to become an architectural gateway to the sea rather than an eyesore (pedestrian friendly at ground) . Traffic is indeed often a problem in the area. Volumes are generally high. Or just get rid of the horrid things once and for all. |
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i have been in Boston pre big dig and post and recently in seattle and both had this disconnect from the water due to massive freeways like we have in CT. Seattle is horrible as the freeway is right on the waters edge and as teh city is higher than the forshore you have to go up stairs etc to get up to city level not nice.
CT has an amazing perspective and if the city took a Sydney option and create a cross city tunnel then the freeways would go straingt around the back on the waterfront , down and under the city and pop up on the other side next to the railway yards. Nice and neat and easy peasy with regard to min distrubption to the city. Then demolish all elevated decks opening up city to the water.
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would be cheapest easiest option
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1. There will never be enough funds
2. The city will never pursue such a "risky" project This isn't Sydney. |
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well like sydney then?
what they did is made it a consession and tolled it, under a BOOT scheme it was paid for and built and now helps the city big time as far as congestion goes and costs tax payers ZERO with consession takeing the RISK. I know Cape Town will never be Sydney with the sort of attitude by people like you
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Its the sort of attitude of the current city. Bless the DA but this is never going to happen. Thats just a dose of reality, not an attitude. |
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I must say a lot of nonsense is talked about these freeways, probably because freeways have gone out of fashion since the original plan (essential though they are). How exactly are they having a negative impact as far away as Woodstock?
The space taken up by the incomplete ramps is minimal and the gap left between the two completed ones is too narrow for much apart from some parking. It's less than 50m wide. You can't really build much of any value on a 50m wide strip of land with an elevated freeway on each side. I agree that completing the project isn't a priority (I'd prefer to see Wingfield and Vanguard Drive upgraded to freeway from the N1 to the N2 first, eliminating the horrific traffic lights at Voortrekker Road, for example), but leaving it as is isn't really costing much. Why unneccessarily close off the possibility of completing the whole scheme? |
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If they really want to DIG, the should DIG on the M3 near Claremont. A Free way that becomes a normal road and then becomes free way again! hate afternoon traffics there! stupid design!
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i couldnt agree more. i went to school at abbotts and i used to hate sitting in that traffic coming from tokai every morning!
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My thinking is that they're not really doing any harm, so why demolish them if there is a possibility they may be useful in the future. If they were really taking up hectares of valuable land it would be different, but nothing else is going to be built between two elevated freeways. Tearing the whole lot down and burying the roads would surely be a hideous waste of money. Besides, I like the sweep of the flyovers, and the view from them of the city and docks is fantastic IMHO. As for Claremont, this has been talked about for years. I seem to remember there was once even talk of building a new M3 freeway alignment through the bottom of Kirstenbosch. The problem with linking to the Simon van der Stel freeway is always going to be that it would involve a lot of demolition (carving through residential Newlands/Claremont) or inappropriate (Kirstenbosch) and expensive either way. I can't see it happening. Talking of that route, my 30-year old map of the Cape Peninsula shows a planned extension of the Simon van der Stel freeway all the way to the Glencairn Expressway, running above Boyes Drive. Found that quite interesting. |
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Found this interesting piece about the demolition of the Harbor Drive freeway in Portland, OR and the subsequent revitalisation of the downtown area:
http://www.preservenet.com/freeways/FreewaysHarbor.html http://www.preservenet.com/freeways/FreewaysHarbor.html Quote:
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