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Old January 12th, 2017, 11:21 PM   #1981
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Torino - Venezia is now also a FrecciaRossa line, BTW.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 11:34 PM   #1982
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I hope someday a more visionary government builds HSL all the way to Catania/Palermo (including a bridge); for now, only the international connections and the piecemeal link to Venezia from Milano remain as significant projects (+ Firenze tunnel but that is a medium speed project, so is the Terzo Valico).
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Old January 13th, 2017, 12:19 AM   #1983
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I'm sure there are way more important projects than a full HSL all the way to Sicily.

We are talking about 400 kilometers through difficult terrain.

Will there ever be a new line between Bivio Sarno and Battipaglia in continuation of the Linea a monte del Vesuvio?
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Old January 13th, 2017, 01:28 AM   #1984
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I hope someday a more visionary government builds HSL all the way to Catania/Palermo (including a bridge); for now, only the international connections and the piecemeal link to Venezia from Milano remain as significant projects (+ Firenze tunnel but that is a medium speed project, so is the Terzo Valico).
International connections certainly aren't priority for Italy. They are quite poor (and with Slovenia they don't exist at all).
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Old January 13th, 2017, 03:00 AM   #1985
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International connections certainly aren't priority for Italy. They are quite poor (and with Slovenia they don't exist at all).
There is the Torino-Lyon high-speed project, the Brennero base tunnel project, and the enhancements to Chiasso (Swiss border) project.

Connections with Austria and France are limited, Switzerland is better connected to Italy both with long-distance trains via Simplon and Chiasso, and with secondary links (like the Domodossola railway or the Rhaetian railways).
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Old January 16th, 2017, 01:48 PM   #1986
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Switzerland is better connected to Italy both with long-distance trains via Simplon and Chiasso, and with secondary links (like the Domodossola railway or the Rhaetian railways).
But here again international traffic has low priority. This results in the EC trains being slower on Chiasso - Milano than the regional and suburban trains. Trenitalia refuses to give those trains a fast path, and claims that the tracks around Milan are saturated.
They aren't but Trenitalia isn't very good at timetabling...
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Old January 16th, 2017, 07:30 PM   #1987
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I favor a new high speed Y-shaped link Milano-Saronno-Como/Sesto Callende + upgrades from Sesto Callende to Domodossola. This would include a spur to the airport.
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Old January 16th, 2017, 08:19 PM   #1988
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I've noticed that some long distance trains from Switzerland now only go to Monza. I don't think it was a case few years ago.
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I've noticed that some long distance trains from Switzerland now only go to Monza. I don't think it was a case few years ago.
It's a temporary measure.
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What is happening at Monza? Engineering?
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 05:16 PM   #1991
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This results in the EC trains being slower on Chiasso - Milano than the regional and suburban trains.
They have the same timetable, as you can check from Trenitalia's website. The official speed of the line itself is 150 km/h at maximum, and only for part of the route, so no surprise they don't get special performances.

Regarding Italy's international connections, it is true that they are not very developed. That is partly due to two main changes happened around year 2000: liberalization of rail services, with FS/Trenitalia becoming kind of a private company, and a change in the Constitution that transferred planning responsibility for local services from the state to the regions. So the state company focussed on the high-revenue service while at the same time regions had to start learning how to handle this new world, beginning with cuts.

Since then there has been a slow but gradual reactivation and improvement of international service: TiLo to Switzerland, Thello to Nice, ECs to Munich, ECs to Wien, MiCoTra to Villach and some work-in-progress to Slovenia. There have been, are or will be works on all the international lines: doubling of the Genova-Ventimiglia, Frejus Basis Tunnel, Gotthard axis (italian side), Brenner Basis Tunnel. The Tarvisio line ("Pontebbana") was upgraded before 2000, the Trieste area is probably the only one without serious plans.
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 06:25 PM   #1992
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They have the same timetable, as you can check from Trenitalia's website. The official speed of the line itself is 150 km/h at maximum, and only for part of the route, so no surprise they don't get special performances.
As you can check on Trenitalia's website the EC trains need 43 minutes for Chiasso - Milano, except for EC 153, which needs 53 minutes. The regional trains do it in 42 minutes, and that is with a stop more. So don't tell me they can't go faster. In fact, in the past those trains were faster...
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 10:55 PM   #1993
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But here again international traffic has low priority. This results in the EC trains being slower on Chiasso - Milano than the regional and suburban trains. Trenitalia refuses to give those trains a fast path, and claims that the tracks around Milan are saturated.
Things are more complicated than that.

The planned structure for the 2009 timetable (departure from Milan at .10 past each hour, arrival ad .50, and .09 from Zürich-.51 in Zürich) proved to be non sustainable as the time given between the two cities was too limited*. They thus decided to build a new timetable for EC trains (Milan departure .25/arrival .35, Zürich .32/.28), however the timetable of all other trains along the Milan-Zürich route was not modified as it would have been too difficult. The result is that EC trains run on a timetable which is not optimized, with many path conflicts, broken connections and a slow run**.

As said, the timetable of most trains has not been changed since 2009, only the timings of the ECs have been modified. The result is that the new timetable given to the ECs is conflicting with regional/suburban trains, making a stop in Como difficult. If an EC stops in Como, the timetable of some regional trains has to be modified, but as doing this generates other problems, it is better if the ECs do not stop there, at least until the timetable of all trains north of Milan is recast (very difficult and thus unlikely) or some infrastructural work is done between Milan at Chiasso.

Simply speaking, the EuroCitys with this timetable should overtake suburban trains in a point of the line where there are no additional tracks to make overtaking possible, meaning that either
a) the EC has to run slowly behind the suburban train or
b) the suburban train timetable has to be modified (breaking connections and generating other problems

Not stopping the EuroCitys in Como reduces this problem, that is why many ECs do not stop in Como.

Besides that, due to works on the Swiss side still going on, the timetable of the ECs will have to be modified many times in the future, meaning that there will be many temporary timetables from now to December 2020 (opening of the Ceneri base tunnel), so even if a good solution was to be found, it would only be temporary. The target behind the scenes is now to find a good timetable for December 2020, and accepting the fact that interim timetables until then will be imperfect (slow run, non stopping in Como, etc). And I assure you the discussions are progressing, as designing a railway timetbale is not an easy task.

*this should have been evident just looking at the previous timetables and delay statistics, but that's another matter

**EC 153 takes 10 minutes more for other reasons, likely another path conflict which the other EuroCitys don't have

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They aren't but Trenitalia isn't very good at timetabling...
That's true in general, however in this particular case it is mainly SBB to blame...
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Old January 23rd, 2017, 12:02 AM   #1994
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Any plans for an additional 2 tracks between Milano and Chiasso in the future?
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Old February 4th, 2017, 02:27 PM   #1995
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Some pics and renders of the U/C high speed station Napoli-Afragola projected by Zaha Hadid:




















The station will open the next June.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 11:12 PM   #1996
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Should have opened in 2008...
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Old February 5th, 2017, 03:35 PM   #1998
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What's the advantage of having this station? I guess passengers from Rome to points south of Naples would save 20 min or so by skipping Napoli Centrale. Those going to the city certainly wouldn't want to end up here...
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North metro area of Napoli is one of the densest areas in Italy.

Nonetheless many many people from there commute every day to Rome.
Saving 1h time daily is a huge improvement.
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North metro area of Napoli is one of the densest areas in Italy.

Nonetheless many many people from there commute every day to Rome.
Saving 1h time daily is a huge improvement.
Sure, but how will they get to this station? From the photos it seems to be quite removed from any existing buildings/streets. Will it be based on people driving there? But then you'll need a giant parking garage somewhere...
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