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Old February 10th, 2017, 04:54 PM   #2021
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Yeah, exactly.

There are plans to build a new Business District close to Tiburtina station, called "SDO". But those plans have been going around since at least 50 years and nothing or very little has been done.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:00 PM   #2022
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Yeah, exactly.

There are plans to build a new Business District close to Tiburtina station, called "SDO". But those plans have been going around since at least 50 years and nothing or very little has been done.

Ah Ah Ah! Sono porci questi Romani! Of course there would be talks of doing something but not actually doing it.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:04 PM   #2023
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Only in a city so badly managed like Rome an area next to the second train station of the city would be devoid of office blocks

Anyway i would not consider Tiburtina a failure just yet: the metro frequency can be improved by working on technology and improving public transport. The horrendous highway can be demolished, the offices will soon or later be built. Offices that from there will be 2.5 hours away from the real economical capital of italy, Milan.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:06 PM   #2024
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The highway is bound to be demolished in 2017. At least, these are the latest news.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:08 PM   #2025
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Exactly. Money can be poured in making the area around look a bit better, then money will start flowing in the area. Which really is a premium area, at least potentially.

For example a new development with offices, some high quality housing, supermarkets. Maybe a new terminal bus that looks decent.

Tiburtina has a great potential, soon or later will be realized.

And it makes complete sense for all HSR Milan-Naples to stop there and just there, since there are many Rome-Milan direct.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #2026
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Exactly. Money can be poured in making the area around look a bit better, then money will start flowing in the area. Which really is a premium area, at least potentially.

For example a new development with offices, some high quality housing, supermarkets. Maybe a new terminal bus that looks decent.

Tiburtina has a great potential, soon or later will be realized.

And it makes complete sense for all HSR Milan-Naples to stop there and just there, since there are many Rome-Milan direct.
Well, Italo tried something like that... and they also tried the Ostiense station which is much closer to the EUR area.
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Old February 10th, 2017, 05:28 PM   #2027
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Long term, long term

Italo had tiburtina INSTEAD of Termini.

I think the right approach is to have trains passing only through tiburtina and others going Tiburtina-Termini
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Old February 19th, 2017, 07:16 PM   #2028
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Good Morning!

I have a question concerning the Italian rolling stock and changes that are made by introducing the new ETR 400. It's now more than one year that those new "Frecciarossa 1000" have entered service.
There will be 50 new trains in total by 2017.

My question: What will be the effect on the other Italian rolling stock?
Some old ETR 500 are now running between Torino - Milano - Venezia.

Will there be old rolling stock withdrawn?
Major changes in Frecciabianca or Frecciargento services?
What's the future for conventional IC trains?

With having 50 new High speed trains, surely some older will be retired.

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Freccia1000 (ETR400) should replace the ETR500 stock on the Torino - Milano - Roma - Napoli (- Salerno) line.

ETR500 will be moved to the transpadana (Torino - Milano - Verona - Venezia [- Trieste]) line and to some Adriatica services (Milano - Bologna - Ancona - Pescara - Bari).

There will be improvements in the frequency, of course.

FrecciArgento and FrecciaBianca will remain as they are. Those train saved from the Transpadana will be used to add more services on Tirrenica (Roma - Livorno - Pisa - Genova) and Adriatica line.

AFAIK, there should be no withdrawal.
I have some observations and questions around the same theme:

* All ETR460/463, save for 1 trainset (ETR460.24) now have the Frecciabianca livery, but haven't been refurbished since they were built. Most Pendolino-family trains already were refurbished (ETR470, VR Sm3, SBB ICN, DB ICE-T) or are in the process of being refurbished (CP Alfa Pendular, CD 680 in 2018), but ETR460 still has its original interiors.

Any plans for a interior refurbishment soon ? Or will these just become the low-cost, no-frills service from Trenitalia ?

* The remaining Trenitalia ETR470 now stickered (with vinyls) to form a hybrid silver/white Frecciabianca livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/caimano082/25733092895

* Any ideas what will happen to the E414+Frecciabianca coaches sets now that E401 locos in the same setup with driving trailers will be introduced ? I assume some loss-making Frecciabianca services operated with E414 sets now will be rebaptised under the new InterCity moniker, so they can benefit from the grants from the Transport ministry ?
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 04:25 PM   #2029
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Hey,

a couple of years ago there was a discussion to raise the max. speed between Milano and Roma from 250/300 km/h up to 360 km/h.

Is this still an untertaking yet to be done or is this idea already scrapped? What is currently the highest speed in Italy? 300 km/h?

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Old February 23rd, 2017, 04:44 PM   #2030
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Yes, actually max speed is 300 km/h.

They're still working to raise the speed to 350km/h where possibile.
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 05:12 PM   #2031
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Will Torino-Milano and Roma-Napoli stay at 300 km/h?
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Old February 23rd, 2017, 05:14 PM   #2032
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No, Torino - Milano and Roma - Napoli are part of the lines that can be raised.

Not all of them though: there's a bend on a bridge on the Ticino River, between Torino and Milano, that has too small radius to allow 350km/h safely.

And of course all the line Roma - Firenze isn't capable of more than 250-300km/h (depending on the stretch).
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I will never forgive RFI engineers for having botched that bridge aligment on what could have been the fastest commercially operated high-speed link in Europe!
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Old February 26th, 2017, 06:55 PM   #2034
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I will never forgive RFI engineers for having botched that bridge aligment on what could have been the fastest commercially operated high-speed link in Europe!
Yes, but: is there a bypass at Milan? I didn't think so. The distance Turin-Milan is so relatively short that raising the speed from 300 to 350 km/h would only save a few minutes between those two cities. As far as I can see it would make sense only if this is part of a longer, uninterrupted 350-line between Turin and central Italy.
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Old February 26th, 2017, 08:01 PM   #2035
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I can't imagine there being enough demand for Torino - central Italy trains that skip Milano to justify a second line that skips Milano.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 09:38 AM   #2036
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Some pics and renders of the U/C high speed station Napoli-Afragola projected by Zaha Hadid:




















The station will open the next June.
Design is great but why to open such a station in the countryside??
You need then to take the car to go in the city! It is ecological??!
To be connected to metro or tram is the norm but here nothing of that
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Old February 28th, 2017, 09:48 AM   #2037
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I explained this station a few pages back
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Old February 28th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #2038
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Btw, it looks in the middle of nowhere but in reality is in a highly populated area, no doubt will be developed in the future
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Old February 28th, 2017, 03:00 PM   #2039
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And how is the high speed italian network in term of numbers passengers. Is it affordable to take a high speed train from Napoli to Milan?

I have the feeling italians prefer to use the plane to travel in the country?
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Old February 28th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #2040
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I don't know the last numbers but the main route Milan-Rome has been decimated by the train and I also Naples-Milan suffered. In fact Naples 'domestic ' traffic is in decline
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